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good evening fade to black the spoke

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radio for some masses yeah today's

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Monday February 19 2018 50 days into the

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new year just 315 days left we are live

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from a bunker somewhere in downtown

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Burbank California and I would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world all across the United States

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hither and thither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near this is fade to

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black for kjc are the game changer

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Network and K G RA the planet

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I'm your host Jimmy Church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing now

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right it's Monday I'm in the chair

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kicking off another week right here on

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fade to black with our guest tonight

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Jeremy Kenyon lock your Korbel that's

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right he's here the director so good

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they named him four times you know

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relationship I respect his cat so much

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and he's somebody that needs to be seen

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gas when it comes to Jeremy Korbel very

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talented and the look and feel of his of

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him enough over the years but that's

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only half of it because the other half

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it's eye candy right it is it's truly

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that but the other half is his research

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as good as Jeremy Korbel to do does not

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pesky pentagon UFO videos that are going

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around and there is a lot to be learned

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from Jeremy about this and these okay so

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so his bob lazar project in film very

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excited about this anything to do with

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Bob Lazar is is uber-cool and he's been

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doing this for quite a while with Bob

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his upcoming film skinwalker ranch so

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yet but it's right there you know I'm a

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big Netflix guy you sign onto deck

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flicks right there new releases patient

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seventeen have you checked that out well

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that's his film somebody asked me today

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it was really weird now I was goofing

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around on Facebook like I do all day

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don't tell Rita

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but I do putz around on Facebook when

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I'm supposed to be working and somebody

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there it's on Netflix and it's it's

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before on the show but of course we'll

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probably bring that up at some point

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tonight in the conversation so that's

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tonight Jeremy can you unlock your

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Korbel tomorrow night right here actor

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Kerr Smith joins the show for the first

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time and it's kind of like Hollywood

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week right tonight we've got Jeremy

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he's gonna be on fade to black tomorrow

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night and then on Friday he's gonna join

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me over on coast to coast am and Kerr is

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fully awakened and he told me over the

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weekend is really funny too because you

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know how I am with these these words but

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he says man I'm out of the closet that's

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it let's go let's do this so we're gonna

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we're gonna do it both guns blazing for

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a shot across the bow will be tomorrow

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night on fade to black and then Friday

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night he's gonna join me live in the

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studio over at coast-to-coast

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am so that's tomorrow night Kerr Smith

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and Wednesday night Zarathustra is here

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very excited been wanting to get zero

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through stress on the show for a few

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years and had a chance to have some

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great conversation with him ethic

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conscious life Expo and and it was

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synchronicity because he said and I said

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at the same time it was like dude when

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he gonna be on the show well what have

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we been waiting for so that will be

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Wednesday night Zarathustra is here

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Thursday night fader night Jon Rappoport

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and there's no more fake newsroom live

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so we've got a great week

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coming up on fade to black next week now

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I will be over on coast to coast

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Friday and Saturday so that's not gonna

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end our week socketed with this Thursday

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then but our week next week unfaded Lac

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doing this week so I think we've got it

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together for next week too as well it's

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going to be absolutely amazing do follow

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me on twitter at j radio you can follow

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Jeremy at Jeremy Korbel he has already

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been tweeting tonight so his stuff is up

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there but go and follow jeremy on

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twitter at jeremy Korbel and everything

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is fade to black t-shirts radio you can

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go now follow like and subscribe over on

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the website we've updated the website

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over the weekend and got as much done as

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we could there's still some more stuff

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that we're going to be cranking through

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there over the next couple of days but

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contact in the desert and we have a

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banner up now over at Jimmy Church radio

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calm for contact in the desert all right

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there it'll take you over and this is

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what I'm asking all of the fader knots

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to do I wasn't aware of this until I was

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speaking with crystal over at eye

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contact in the desert over the weekend

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which is this when you purchase your

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tickets for contact in the desert there

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is a place there to put where did you

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hear about us

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or this put fade to black in there okay

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F to be put fade to black

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and it doesn't do anything except it

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lets them know you know as they you know

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it's effective for them so they know

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where people are coming from that that's

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what I don't want the fade or knots to

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stand up and be counted

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okay I want them to know that each and

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every one of you right there fade to

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black so pop that in there

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them over there they go the fader notes

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they're everywhere

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gonna continue to announces that little

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everywhere well yeah that's great but I

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want to make sure they really recognize

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okay all right and as I am speaking oh

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okay to do to got it thank you for that

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Rita very cool

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where am I oh yeah so contact in the

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desert okay so when you head over to the

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website I just want to let you guys know

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really quick in advance that the

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schedule of is basically there there are

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hour here and and extend over here and

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so forth and but the final stuff is

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going to be up in a couple of weeks and

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and I and the some of the speakers there

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will be sitting at each one of these

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table now just gonna let you know now in

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events you guys can fight over this and

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gonna have 10 tickets for sale for our

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table for dinner and the award ceremony

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ceremony together so I know it's only

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so and I just can't wait for that so

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more on that in the next couple of days

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but yeah was was told about that over

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the weekend and very cool very excited

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about that and so there you go contact

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of it but to renew and I got some email

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suggest it but I think there's a way to

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renewed so we're gonna figure out and

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smooth that out for everybody okay but

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there you go also we're gonna have some

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new t-shirts for the game changers and

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those are being designed right now we

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should have that ready in about a week

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okay all right yeah let's get this show

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cracking oh oh oh a big announcement and

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and and again I just really want to say

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this to everybody out there thank you

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okay just thank you we have the best

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brightest biggest audience out there and

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just thank you today I got an email from

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new mana and their special ended for the

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fader knots on the 15th because of the

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response and and everything they

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extended it from February first out to

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February 15th it was expiring and they

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wrote today and they said Jimmy let's

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just keep this going the fader knots are

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the best and I'm telling you I'm the one

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that signs those t-shirts and sends it

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out with each new mana order and my hand

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hurts so thank you I mean seriously it's

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the most humbling thing to go through to

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sign these shirts for you guys it's just

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a humbling thing thank you so new mana

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said today that they are going to extend

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it to the end of the month you guys and

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it's because of you okay now it's it's

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been a great success for us and and for

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you guys

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we can just have this deal for us

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forever

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I mean seriously they don't do this for

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anybody else out there okay they're

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doing this just for the fate or nots

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Jimmy 10 Jimmy 10 that's it that's the

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promo code Jimmy and the number 10 will

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get you 10% off of your order it's gonna

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get you free shipping and you got to

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think about what shipping cost on an

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emergency food these buckets full of the

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emergency food think about that so you

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get that discount and you're gonna get

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an autograph fade to black shirt okay so

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it's the best deal anywhere and you take

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care of your family you have peace of

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mind msg gmo-free made in America that

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is all you need to know and you're gonna

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sleep with peace of mind all right new

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manna click on the new manna banner over

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at Jimmy Church radio.com promo code

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Jimmy 10 all right now where am i let's

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get this show crackin happy birthday to

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today guitar god Tony Iommi is 70 70

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years old I posted some pictures today

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over on Facebook and Twitter of when I

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the first time that I met Tony got to

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hang out with him and it was just you

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know bright spot in anybody's life right

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so so I posted those today but 70 years

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old so I stand to stop and think so I'm

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like wow these pictures were taken 23

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years ago right oh my goodness

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he was just 47 you know I was 31 we were

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kids I don't know where the time goes

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but Tony today is 7 he still looks great

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still out there touring still doing his

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thing but what he did for myself and

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countless musicians and bands and guitar

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players around the world where the first

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song that they ever played together as a

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band was paranoid

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right rock-and-roll by Led Zeppelin

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paranoid so Tony Iommi today's 70 and

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and I was recollecting and I was

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thinking about that period with Tony and

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I remember me is about a year after I

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had met him and and so we were you know

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you know hanging out and talking over

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over the year he was you know touring

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and over in England and doing his thing

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but and over here in the States but I

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came home one day yeah to Sherman Oaks

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to my house and I walk in fax machine

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right right there there's a fax on the

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fax machine to remember those and I pick

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it up and it's a fax from Tony which I

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still have I should at some point scan

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it and post it because it's a brilliant

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fax the fact says Jimmy and it you know

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it's all it's got his logos on its of

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Jimmy Tony just arrived in LA want to

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hang out can we do lunch Tony Iommi

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right there's the fax I'm holding it and

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like well with you know a hotel

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information or whatever and I said Wow

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so how cool is that where you come home

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and you get backs from Tony ioe so the

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next day and this is the best part of

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the story so the next day we have lunch

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I was working for leases in Santa Monica

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and so we go to lunch and ran lunch and

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I said you know man you want to come

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back to alesis and meet everybody he

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used Elise's products and it was all

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good you know a little relationship

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because yeah let's go so just picture

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this in your mind for a second Tony and

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I he jumps in my car he had his tech

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with him and I'm trying to think of his

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name here in a second Mike and so we get

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we get in in my car and we drive over to

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alesis and I walk him through all three

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floors of the building and I introduced

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him to everybody at the company and he

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walked in every single office every

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single cubicle took pictures for three

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floors and

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and listen to everybody's Black Sabbath

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story that's how cool that guy is happy

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birthday Tony Iommi one cool dude also

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today Smokey Robinson is 78 actor Jeff

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Daniels today is 63 and Benicio del Toro

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is 51 snatch right how great was he in

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that Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

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traffic but of course probably is best

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I don't know snatch was good too but the

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usual suspects happy birthday Benicio

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today's 51 and our dead guys birthday

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today is copernicus yeah 1473 to 1543

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died at the age of 70 father of modern

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astronomy he was the first modern

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european scientist to propose that the

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earth and the other planets revolve

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around the Sun happy birthday

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Copernicus understand history OTD 1878

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very few things changed the world Thomas

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Edison did it a few times but he really

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did it on this day when he patents the

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phonograph yeah on this day Oh td9

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1878 1978 seems like it right fader fact

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here you go love it when I do the fader

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fact Fergie roasted the national anthem

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man they haven't stopped talking about

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that out here in Los Angeles

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yeah today is Monday depending on the

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24-hour news cycle Fergie in the

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national anthem I thought it was okay

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you know and didn't really offend me I

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thought it was okay

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fader fact the cities of Jericho Luxor

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Damascus byblos Athens Varanasi Liyang

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Beirut have all been continuously

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inhabited for the last six thousand

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years and that is a fader fact six

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thousand years think about that all

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right tonight very special guest Jeremy

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Kenyon lock your Korbel he's here yes

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we're gonna talk about those a pentagon

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UFO videos we're gonna talk about Bob

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Lazar and his project that he has been

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doing was Bob over the last couple of

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years skinwalker ranch this is a thing

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he's got a film coming out about

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skinwalker when it comes to Jeremy his

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research is so thorough he's gonna talk

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about these Pentagon UFO videos he's

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been working on this story well I'll let

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him tell you but for a long time I'm

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gonna let him tell his version of it but

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Bob Lazar and skinwalker and each one of

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these private and I give him a hard time

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about it to finish these things but it's

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because his research is so thorough his

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filmmaking is so complete and the

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editing and the way that he does his

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stuff but now finally it's coming out

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and it's coming out in waves skinwalker

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ranch is its releases eminent Bob Lazar

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we got a little taste of that just

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recently and of course patient 17 is now

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full release up on Netflix and then we

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have all the research that has been

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going on with the Pentagon UFO videos so

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that's tonight with Jeremy Korbel

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tomorrow night

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actor Kerr Smith joins us Wednesday

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Zarathustra is here Thursday night

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another fader nights open lines all

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night long with Jon Rappoport here and

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his no more fake newsroom live okay now

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it's time to long stuff and to the stars

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Academy is has been heating up lately

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when some of these revelations started

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to surface in mass amongst the UFO

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communities specifically the tic-tac

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color a pic that was used in his live

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conference there was that the scrutiny

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now is focusing on these two pentagon

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UFO videos and what their history and

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background is and the comments that tts

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a release

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January 23rd by-and-large didn't really

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wash with the UFO community and the UFO

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community is is tough it's tough and the

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majority and I'm gonna go with a 99.9%

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I'll the majority of the UFO community

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didn't hear about or see the January

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23rd explanation about the tic-tac

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photograph nobody knew and I have been

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bombarded with it from different

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researchers out there and specifically

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immediately David Wilcock did his write

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up on it on divine cosmos of course

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Justin - amp was alerted to it which he

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didn't know about he published on

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stillness in the storm where I caught

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wind of it and nobody nobody had let me

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know that this was going on or asked me

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about you know do you know have you

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heard no it didn't happen so two days

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ago let me back up here what is today

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what is today today's Monday so it was

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either Friday or Saturday I sent an

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email to Tom which he responded to I'm

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not going to read his response that

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would be uncouth and it's private but he

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did respond ok so I sent him a letter

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that has ten questions in it that I

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asked to get answered so in the interest

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of transparency these questions were all

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submitted to me from various emails

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postings tweets texts and so forth these

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are the ten questions submitted to Tom

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DeLonge that we would like answered and

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I said Tom can you and TSA please

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address the following questions directly

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for our community in the interest of

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clarification and transparency okay

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question number one the New York Times

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story refers to a eighty IP as the

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advanced aerospace threat identification

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program

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well AAT IP Ashleigh stands for the

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advanced aviation threat identification

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program so who swapped aviation for

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aerospace T TSA or the New York Times

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question number two did Lewis Allison

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doe actually head the AAT IP or just

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work for the DoD can you please provide

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direct documentation that he was head of

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a 80 IP question three when did t TSA

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know about the tic-tac color UFO image

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that you used your mural live press

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conference was actually a mylar balloon

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that was on the net since 2005 your live

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event was on October 11 2017 and your

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public admission was on January 23rd

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2018 did you know prior to October 11 to

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17 did you know after who knew why did

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you wait until January 23 2008 18 to

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release a statement question number 4

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the two videos that T TSA says they

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released were on the net and public U

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and T TSA say that they were released by

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the Pentagon where it did you and T TSA

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get the videos from the net or directly

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from the Pentagon if the Pentagon

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released them to you do you have a chain

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of custody to prove this were they

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Declassified were they ever secret and

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who Declassified them question number

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five the New York Times article mass

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media all of it implied that the two

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videos were the same 2004 event that

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pilot Dave flavor describes in all of

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his interviews and it is implied that

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the footage was from his plane who is

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responsible for misleading the public in

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this way question number six the two

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videos gimbal and tic-tac were not the

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same event one was from the west coast

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of the US the other was from the East

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Coast off of Florida

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Wendy T TSA know this and why did they

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and you know and when did you know this

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00:27:35,749 --> 00:27:34,740
further why did you not make this clear

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to the public

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question 7 who inside of T TSA is

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vetting the material that you and T TSA

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are released

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to the public and media who will be

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vetting in the future question number

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eight is the material videos and

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documents that you currently are in

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possession of that you have referenced

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in interviews your live event and on

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your website then given to you from

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official government sources or just from

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the internet and are in the public

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domain question number nine will you

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address these questions and speak to the

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UFO community and to the public directly

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question number ten do you think that

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you may have been played and used as an

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asset by others to use your celebrity

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00:28:26,010 --> 00:28:23,440
status to confuse and discredit the UFO

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community there you go

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ten questions for Tom DeLonge and titi

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si now remember everyone look I'm a show

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host I'm not an investigative journalist

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these questions have been raised by our

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community through email to me postings

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Twitter Facebook it's not my job to go

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out there and investigate I don't have

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that kind of time it's not my gig I'll

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leave that to those who do it best but I

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do agree that these questions need to be

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answered okay all right this is fade to

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black

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I'm your host Jimmy church tonight

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Jeremy Canyon lock your Korbel the

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director so good they gave them four

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names we're gonna hate it all tonight

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we're gonna talk about these Pentagon

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videos we're gonna talk about Bob Lazar

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can I wait for that by the way

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skinwalker ranch weird connections with

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all of this too as well

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nobody can connect the dots better than

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Jeremy Korbel I'm your host Jimmy Church

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Jeremy Korbel stay with us

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I'm here Jimmy Church tonight Jeremy

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Kenyon Lockyer Korbel he's here

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tomorrow night's actor Kerr Smith how

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cool is that Wednesday night

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Zarathustra even better and we're gonna

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wind up the week with fader night open

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lines John bio-ports gonna be here with

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his number fake newsroom he's been

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battling the flu he's all better now

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so that'll be Thursday open Lions all

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night long we will open up the phones or

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try to open up the phones a little bit

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later for Jeremy Korbel he isn't an

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American contemporary artist

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investigative filmmaker he's based right

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here in Los Angles California he

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documents ordinary individuals and their

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extraordinary beliefs this research has

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taken him into the worlds of

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nanotechnology aerospace exploration

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exotic propulsion systems UFOs the

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mystery of skinwalker ranch and what he

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calls the phenomenon Carvel has

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documented the surgical removal of

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alleged offworld alien implants his new

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film patient 17 is in wide release on

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Netflix and he also covers physical

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evidence of extraterrestrial

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nanotechnology landing sites he has

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obtained deathbed confessions from

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former CIA and government intelligence

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officials his films reveal how ideas

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held by credible individuals can alter

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the way we experience reality and help

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us to reconsider the fabric of our own

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beliefs

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he continues to explore everything on

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his website you can go extraordinary

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beliefs calm he it's all about those

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enigmatic people deep within the

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aerospace military intelligence

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conspiracy and extraterrestrial and

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underworld communities tonight we are

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going to discuss those recent US Navy

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gun camera videos I'm going to talk

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about Bob Lazar and we're gonna talk

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about his new film that's getting ready

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to get released a skinwalker ranch and

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the extraordinary evidence that he will

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00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:47,069
soon present to the world I would like

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to welcome back to fade to black the one

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and only jeremy Kenyon

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Lockyer Korbel the director so good they

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gave them four names Jeremy good evening

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00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:58,380
thanks Jimmy great to be out how you

730
00:36:03,669 --> 00:35:59,640
doing you know I'm never gonna let that

731
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go so yeah great it's good you remember

732
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I had to do it when I introduced you a

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contact last year and by the way

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everybody Jeremy will be at a contact in

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00:36:16,249 --> 00:36:14,039
the desert again this year he has to

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00:36:18,469 --> 00:36:16,259
speak a contact because he lives in

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Joshua Tree so you know he would

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00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:20,969
probably a protest and pick it outside

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00:36:25,009 --> 00:36:23,400
of the entrance and you can do that

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00:36:26,650 --> 00:36:25,019
because you live there it's one of the

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00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:26,660
most interesting places in the world

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00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:29,249
Joshua Tree and I can't think of a

743
00:36:34,099 --> 00:36:31,380
better way a better place for a

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00:36:36,620 --> 00:36:34,109
filmmaker and UFO investigative

745
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,630
journalist like yourself to live it's

746
00:36:41,029 --> 00:36:38,640
amazing man I actually live just outside

747
00:36:43,969 --> 00:36:41,039
of Josh Tree and pioneer tons even more

748
00:36:45,979 --> 00:36:43,979
remote it's a really amazing location I

749
00:36:48,109 --> 00:36:45,989
was able to find out is it every night

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00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:48,119
man do you go outside and some something

751
00:36:53,989 --> 00:36:51,630
something crazy as is seen you know it's

752
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:53,999
like a Spielberg movie when you look up

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00:36:58,309 --> 00:36:56,249
with zero light pollution in the

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wilderness I mean it takes 20 minutes to

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drive anywhere just to get off the dirt

756
00:37:05,749 --> 00:37:02,279
road takes a while where I live and yeah

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00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:05,759
I'd have to say with a 360 panoramic of

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00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:07,650
the sky I'm one of those guys who never

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00:37:13,609 --> 00:37:10,049
sees anything but out there it's hard

760
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not to yeah I remember this is probably

761
00:37:17,509 --> 00:37:16,169
two years ago I mean that's all we do is

762
00:37:21,859 --> 00:37:17,519
go out there look at the sky but this

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one night we went up to a house at the

764
00:37:25,939 --> 00:37:23,909
very top of one of the mountains right

765
00:37:26,929 --> 00:37:25,949
it just you know with one of those views

766
00:37:30,979 --> 00:37:26,939
but we get up there

767
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and we go even further up above the pool

768
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and everything in the back and I'm with

769
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a group of friends and Rita and stuff

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and then I took the time to just rock my

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head back and look up and you're looking

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at a full color milky way and it's right

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00:37:50,059 --> 00:37:48,449
there man and you know and you just stop

774
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and it just takes your breath away

775
00:37:55,459 --> 00:37:53,309
living in Los Angeles you know we you

776
00:37:57,409 --> 00:37:55,469
know we're deprived of that but you go

777
00:37:59,689 --> 00:37:57,419
out there and you see pictures of it all

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00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:59,699
the time but when you see it like that

779
00:38:04,650 --> 00:38:02,220
in that pan chromatic

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00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:04,660
resonance you know that that full-color

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00:38:11,130 --> 00:38:08,050
thing going from you know horizon to

782
00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:11,140
horizon it's unbelievable yeah it's

783
00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:13,420
absolutely incredible it's something I

784
00:38:17,850 --> 00:38:15,430
didn't even know was so important to me

785
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:17,860
until I moved out there and you can see

786
00:38:23,490 --> 00:38:20,410
anything move in that sky it is

787
00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:23,500
incredible when that recent rocket went

788
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:26,230
off I was doing dishes which is a rare

789
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occasion and I just looked to my left

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and out the window panoramic in perfect

791
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:35,620
pitch black sky was that huge rocket

792
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:38,320
plume it was just incredible yeah yeah

793
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:41,050
I'm fully jealous and I remember asking

794
00:38:46,890 --> 00:38:44,170
you one time - why why pioneer town like

795
00:38:50,190 --> 00:38:46,900
come on Jimmy and that I just had to

796
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,200
check myself it's like of course I I

797
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:52,240
didn't want to move you know I was

798
00:38:55,350 --> 00:38:53,680
kicking and screaming my wife is the

799
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:55,360
genius here you know she told me we're

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gonna move into the middle of nowhere

801
00:38:59,490 --> 00:38:57,550
and I was like what's the difference

802
00:39:01,200 --> 00:38:59,500
between middle and the edge but now I

803
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:01,210
understand and I'm trying to find that

804
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:03,010
middle a little bit better now do you uh

805
00:39:07,830 --> 00:39:05,650
do you go to the country kitchen often

806
00:39:09,870 --> 00:39:07,840
you know what I haven't gone there out

807
00:39:15,330 --> 00:39:09,880
that I'm kind of a resident of Pappy and

808
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,340
Harriet's you know yeah you've been

809
00:39:19,020 --> 00:39:16,960
telling me to go out there every year

810
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:19,030
with you wait you know what we'll do it

811
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:22,570
this year I promise I promise I wanted

812
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:26,290
your comment on this Rita asked me the

813
00:39:31,860 --> 00:39:27,850
other things because Jimmy if you could

814
00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:31,870
describe Jeremy how would you do it I

815
00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:36,430
said do to steampunk right right and

816
00:39:41,220 --> 00:39:38,230
that's what came out of my mind it was

817
00:39:43,470 --> 00:39:41,230
like one of those innocent juvenile

818
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:43,480
brain first think about it later

819
00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:46,690
comments but that's what came out how do

820
00:39:51,330 --> 00:39:48,940
you well first off what do you think

821
00:39:53,820 --> 00:39:51,340
about that comment calling you steampunk

822
00:39:57,330 --> 00:39:53,830
but but I think it's it's correct at

823
00:40:01,070 --> 00:39:57,340
least the flavor right but how do you

824
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:01,080
describe your approach to filmmaking

825
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:03,610
well you know for me it's it's based on

826
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:05,890
real simple questions we we all are

827
00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:08,560
curious people if we have a you know a

828
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:10,150
single bone in our body where there's

829
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:13,690
curiosity there and what I like to do is

830
00:40:17,010 --> 00:40:15,010
use the camera

831
00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:17,020
as my passport I mean it became obvious

832
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,200
to me very early on that you can have

833
00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:21,760
intimate conversations with people

834
00:40:27,150 --> 00:40:25,150
simply because you have a camera with

835
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,160
you and so that was really the

836
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:29,680
revelation for me in trying to learn

837
00:40:35,250 --> 00:40:32,410
more about the UFO topic about these

838
00:40:38,370 --> 00:40:35,260
types of technologies is that having

839
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,380
that camera really opened doors for me I

840
00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:40,960
thought it would do the opposite so my

841
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,030
approach to filmmaking is very personal

842
00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:45,760
it's about the human beings and their

843
00:40:51,930 --> 00:40:48,670
belief systems sometimes it includes

844
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:51,940
UFOs and advanced technologies that are

845
00:40:56,820 --> 00:40:53,410
proposed by UFOs

846
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:56,830
other times it doesn't I spent a good

847
00:41:00,810 --> 00:40:58,450
year and a half in a tattoo shop

848
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:00,820
watching a guy who who I called

849
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:03,070
modern-day shaman listening to people

850
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:05,710
their stories their phenomenal stories

851
00:41:12,660 --> 00:41:09,850
of healing and high strangeness so the

852
00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:12,670
through line for all my work is I want

853
00:41:17,070 --> 00:41:14,620
the viewer to be able to see through my

854
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:17,080
lens just like I'm seeing and to

855
00:41:21,570 --> 00:41:18,850
experience these stories and these

856
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:21,580
people and these places in the same way

857
00:41:25,890 --> 00:41:23,170
that I'm experiencing them so if I do my

858
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,900
job right then watching like films will

859
00:41:31,290 --> 00:41:28,000
be like a front-row seat to what I

860
00:41:33,870 --> 00:41:31,300
experienced there is there is a

861
00:41:39,060 --> 00:41:33,880
technique that you have with framing and

862
00:41:40,830 --> 00:41:39,070
and lighting that has a modern feel to

863
00:41:43,950 --> 00:41:40,840
it so it you know it's pushing the

864
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:43,960
boundaries there but it also harkens

865
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:47,410
back to some of the older days of

866
00:41:55,170 --> 00:41:51,010
filmmaking that that is ignored today so

867
00:41:58,650 --> 00:41:55,180
you get kind of both there's you know

868
00:42:01,050 --> 00:41:58,660
it's it's a hard thing to describe but

869
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:01,060
you have the elements of both and I

870
00:42:05,730 --> 00:42:02,710
think you can appreciate what I'm trying

871
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:05,740
to say here you told me once that the

872
00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:08,050
first things you ever shot were the the

873
00:42:13,410 --> 00:42:10,120
the film series who did on the Vegas

874
00:42:16,350 --> 00:42:13,420
trip yeah and that is some of your best

875
00:42:18,060 --> 00:42:16,360
work so I have to step back and go wait

876
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:18,070
a minute did you even know what you were

877
00:42:24,450 --> 00:42:21,720
doing and what is this technique an

878
00:42:27,690 --> 00:42:24,460
accident that it's just because you're

879
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:27,700
an artist yeah I still don't know what

880
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:28,810
I'm doing

881
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:30,910
that's the hilarious part about it I

882
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:33,090
really don't I'm kind of a

883
00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:36,610
technologically you know impaired I I do

884
00:42:42,030 --> 00:42:39,400
have people that I consult like on a

885
00:42:43,620 --> 00:42:42,040
recent trip to go film with Bob you know

886
00:42:45,810 --> 00:42:43,630
do I have the right equipment how do I

887
00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:45,820
do multiple layers of sound they're all

888
00:42:50,370 --> 00:42:46,990
kind of shaking their heads are you

889
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,380
still using that old canon 5d I mean I'm

890
00:42:55,830 --> 00:42:52,560
kind of laughed at by my friends who are

891
00:42:57,720 --> 00:42:55,840
technologically savvy but somehow I get

892
00:43:01,170 --> 00:42:57,730
away with it so you're not shooting in

893
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:01,180
4k no I you know that the data required

894
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:03,610
I mean I'm fully self-funded it's I'm a

895
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:05,650
one-man show how much can one person

896
00:43:09,930 --> 00:43:07,450
juggle when they're trying to get to the

897
00:43:12,030 --> 00:43:09,940
meat of the information I don't even use

898
00:43:16,620 --> 00:43:12,040
artificial lights so everything you see

899
00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:16,630
is how it is is natural so I need to

900
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,150
employ certain techniques you know to

901
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:21,760
make that look good but that's my method

902
00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:25,930
now let's let's let's let's go in

903
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:29,110
feet-first here and we we do need to do

904
00:43:36,540 --> 00:43:34,480
this man okay I want to be gentle here

905
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:36,550
because also you and I have a lot of

906
00:43:39,930 --> 00:43:38,290
private conversations too as well so

907
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:39,940
I'll dance a little bit there's no

908
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:45,370
reason to to expose things but the the

909
00:43:54,270 --> 00:43:49,980
videos that have been released by T TSA

910
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:54,280
which to the community seemed like and

911
00:44:03,150 --> 00:43:58,890
appeared like this was something new

912
00:44:06,620 --> 00:44:03,160
that was being brought forward but that

913
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:06,630
is indeed not the case these two

914
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:09,040
specific videos have been around for

915
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:10,810
quite a while and you've been aware of

916
00:44:17,940 --> 00:44:15,010
it and I'm gonna let you finish that

917
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:17,950
statement sure I mean you know look I I

918
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:19,810
heard the intro to the show

919
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:23,050
you asked very important big questions

920
00:44:28,050 --> 00:44:25,690
and these questions do need to be

921
00:44:31,140 --> 00:44:28,060
answered so let's talk specifically

922
00:44:34,590 --> 00:44:31,150
about the the tic-tac is I have no

923
00:44:37,110 --> 00:44:34,600
relation to Tom or his organization

924
00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:37,120
other than I'm rooting for him and I you

925
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:39,430
know hope that they achieve even half of

926
00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:42,160
what they're aiming to achieve I think

927
00:44:46,050 --> 00:44:44,260
we should also give credit for what has

928
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:46,060
been achieved I mean look this is not a

929
00:44:52,530 --> 00:44:48,310
boring time for UFOs anymore

930
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:52,540
no 2017 2018 has given us a lot to think

931
00:44:58,610 --> 00:44:55,210
about and look at but more specifically

932
00:45:03,090 --> 00:44:58,620
you're edging in on how did I know about

933
00:45:05,250 --> 00:45:03,100
the nimitz UFO encounters how did I how

934
00:45:08,460 --> 00:45:05,260
is that aware of it how did I report on

935
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:08,470
that you know seven months before the

936
00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:11,410
official releases and I think that's

937
00:45:17,820 --> 00:45:13,150
what you're aiming at is this this is

938
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:17,830
not an old story it is from no it's not

939
00:45:20,730 --> 00:45:18,910
a new story

940
00:45:23,460 --> 00:45:20,740
sorry it's I'm sorry it's not a new

941
00:45:26,490 --> 00:45:23,470
story right from 2004 so that's that's

942
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:26,500
current but what you're saying is these

943
00:45:32,130 --> 00:45:29,650
releases weren't brand new that this had

944
00:45:32,660 --> 00:45:32,140
been lurking in the shadows for some

945
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:32,670
time

946
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:36,250
specifically the tick-tack UFO case and

947
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:39,850
footage that was seen it goes back a

948
00:45:48,450 --> 00:45:44,970
long ways and the reason the reason why

949
00:45:52,650 --> 00:45:48,460
myself and others in the community most

950
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:52,660
of the community is is acting alarmed

951
00:46:00,960 --> 00:45:56,770
right now is because it feels like there

952
00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:00,970
was some misleading referencing that was

953
00:46:04,890 --> 00:46:03,070
going on here now it doesn't matter who

954
00:46:07,740 --> 00:46:04,900
the fault was whether it was the New

955
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:07,750
York Times or its mass media or at CNN

956
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:08,770
the way they're conducting their

957
00:46:14,310 --> 00:46:12,010
interviews with Elizondo or favor none

958
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:14,320
of that matters to the community it's

959
00:46:19,650 --> 00:46:16,200
the way that it was presented back to

960
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:19,660
the community and then we had to figure

961
00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:23,170
that out on our own and the UFO

962
00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:25,420
community is used to doing this over and

963
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:26,830
over again they will police themselves

964
00:46:32,090 --> 00:46:28,810
and they step back and go well wait a

965
00:46:34,650 --> 00:46:32,100
minute what's actually going on here

966
00:46:36,750 --> 00:46:34,660
right so yeah so let's get you know kind

967
00:46:38,910 --> 00:46:36,760
of down to the facts in the history for

968
00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:38,920
example of the tic-tock case so I think

969
00:46:42,510 --> 00:46:40,630
it's no surprise to people I've

970
00:46:44,820 --> 00:46:42,520
mentioned this before that I had been

971
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:44,830
working on that case quietly and

972
00:46:50,580 --> 00:46:47,410
silently for about two years prior to

973
00:46:53,370 --> 00:46:50,590
the kind of official announcement that

974
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:53,380
event series was from the 10th through

975
00:46:59,240 --> 00:46:55,140
the 14th of November and

976
00:47:02,510 --> 00:46:59,250
2004 there was a temporary leak that was

977
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:02,520
found through reddit in 2007 of a

978
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:05,910
version of the footage that is now seen

979
00:47:11,780 --> 00:47:09,690
publicly what people don't know I might

980
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:11,790
have stated it before is that there was

981
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:14,520
in fact an intelligence study done on

982
00:47:22,100 --> 00:47:19,260
the 2004 events in 2007 as well so it

983
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:22,110
didn't fly under the radar that it was

984
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:25,050
leaked quote-unquote in 2007 through

985
00:47:32,810 --> 00:47:30,570
reddit now we have the 2015 report by a

986
00:47:35,090 --> 00:47:32,820
fighter pilot named Paco on fighter

987
00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:35,100
sweep that has become very popular and

988
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:37,500
famous it actually dropped my jaw when I

989
00:47:41,660 --> 00:47:39,090
saw that that was the tip of the spear

990
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:41,670
and that thrust for the to the Stars

991
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:44,520
announcement was this series of events I

992
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,850
mean the primaries of that case did not

993
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:50,640
even know when I reached out to let them

994
00:47:57,170 --> 00:47:53,640
know that this is all being said and in

995
00:48:00,800 --> 00:47:57,180
fact that the specific Google search

996
00:48:03,620 --> 00:48:00,810
terms were then said on stage to find

997
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:03,630
this obscure aviation article that named

998
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:07,530
the pilot it was an alarming moment

999
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:09,330
because it was not something that was

1000
00:48:13,940 --> 00:48:11,010
you know notified to everybody who were

1001
00:48:15,740 --> 00:48:13,950
primaries in this account so I think it

1002
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:15,750
took some people by surprise who were

1003
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:18,960
even involved in this account you were

1004
00:48:25,310 --> 00:48:22,380
referring to at ETS a-and and the other

1005
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:25,320
principals no I think it came to our

1006
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:27,330
surprise to the individuals who engaged

1007
00:48:33,830 --> 00:48:30,780
the 2004 tic tacs oh you're talking

1008
00:48:36,140 --> 00:48:33,840
about flavor and what's-his-name the the

1009
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:36,150
wing man yeah so whoever I'm talking

1010
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:38,250
about there were primaries in the series

1011
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,220
of events right right what I'm saying is

1012
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:43,200
they were not aware prior that that was

1013
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:45,960
going to be done and so that was

1014
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:47,910
interesting you know seeing that for

1015
00:48:53,330 --> 00:48:50,220
myself and then putting that together

1016
00:48:56,660 --> 00:48:53,340
what was was really fascinating did tts

1017
00:48:58,310 --> 00:48:56,670
aid now T TSA didn't have the videos at

1018
00:48:59,570 --> 00:48:58,320
the time they should have I mean they

1019
00:49:00,680 --> 00:48:59,580
were out there in the public domain but

1020
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:00,690
they didn't have them at the time of

1021
00:49:05,900 --> 00:49:02,970
their live press conference and don't

1022
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:05,910
need to dwell on that well the videos

1023
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:08,640
were not available

1024
00:49:12,980 --> 00:49:11,400
to the general public think about the

1025
00:49:14,779 --> 00:49:12,990
the gimbal what's known as the gimbal

1026
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:14,789
video which we really need to clarify

1027
00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:17,490
right but you know that one was not

1028
00:49:23,539 --> 00:49:20,579
available publicly by any means anywhere

1029
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,549
did did they reach out to you though did

1030
00:49:29,569 --> 00:49:26,160
t TSA at any point reach out to you I I

1031
00:49:32,269 --> 00:49:29,579
was a I was of no help to T TSA in what

1032
00:49:34,730 --> 00:49:32,279
they chose to do okay however I did

1033
00:49:38,180 --> 00:49:34,740
because I had probably I definitely the

1034
00:49:41,509 --> 00:49:38,190
largest network of people regarding this

1035
00:49:43,819 --> 00:49:41,519
case all the way from you know fighter

1036
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:43,829
pilots who directly engaged the objects

1037
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:47,010
to radar specialists to personnel

1038
00:49:52,579 --> 00:49:48,930
employees I had developed that for a

1039
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:52,589
long time so the ability for me to talk

1040
00:49:56,569 --> 00:49:54,900
with them and say you know hey you know

1041
00:49:59,000 --> 00:49:56,579
some of these people this is something

1042
00:50:01,849 --> 00:49:59,010
that I I think you should get out ahead

1043
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:01,859
of and in front of and contribute to

1044
00:50:07,970 --> 00:50:04,680
this conversation some of them can and

1045
00:50:11,299 --> 00:50:07,980
could do that others cannot

1046
00:50:14,299 --> 00:50:11,309
if you're current and military employed

1047
00:50:17,029 --> 00:50:14,309
right then that is not something you can

1048
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:17,039
do so some of the silence that people

1049
00:50:21,740 --> 00:50:19,170
are experiencing from some of the

1050
00:50:23,809 --> 00:50:21,750
principles it's not by choice it's by

1051
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:23,819
occupation if that makes sense

1052
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:26,880
are you in possession of additional gun

1053
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:29,849
camera footage I know that there are

1054
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:33,240
many versions of footage that were taken

1055
00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:37,859
that day from radar to a really amazing

1056
00:50:42,499 --> 00:50:40,319
kind of high-tech optical system called

1057
00:50:44,509 --> 00:50:42,509
chable much I don't know exactly what it

1058
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:44,519
stands for but it's a tactical optical

1059
00:50:49,609 --> 00:50:47,640
so there's a lot of footage from that

1060
00:50:52,099 --> 00:50:49,619
series of events but also remember

1061
00:50:55,279 --> 00:50:52,109
things are very compartmentalized so if

1062
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:55,289
one pilot films the object and brings

1063
00:51:00,380 --> 00:50:58,410
that footage back to the ship there

1064
00:51:02,210 --> 00:51:00,390
might not be aware of other pieces of

1065
00:51:04,940 --> 00:51:02,220
footage but because I have been talking

1066
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:04,950
with a variety of people involved around

1067
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,170
these encounters I do happen to know

1068
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:09,359
that there are multiple streams of

1069
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:13,890
footage of these objects one of which is

1070
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:15,660
is quite astounding it's kind of the

1071
00:51:19,309 --> 00:51:17,730
unsaid the unspoken thing about this

1072
00:51:20,779 --> 00:51:19,319
event which which I will talk to you

1073
00:51:22,380 --> 00:51:20,789
about tonight I want to clarify it's

1074
00:51:24,769 --> 00:51:22,390
something people might not have been

1075
00:51:27,329 --> 00:51:24,779
you know picking up on with this story

1076
00:51:30,930 --> 00:51:27,339
continue I'll let you speak freely

1077
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:30,940
because again I'll let you reveal

1078
00:51:35,819 --> 00:51:32,559
anything that you and I have talked

1079
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:35,829
about I won't do it I'm sure that up to

1080
00:51:41,849 --> 00:51:38,319
you but but this let's speak about this

1081
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:41,859
specific piece of footage right so you

1082
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:43,569
know as we know this is public

1083
00:51:47,130 --> 00:51:44,170
information

1084
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:47,140
commander flavor was one of the two

1085
00:51:53,069 --> 00:51:50,529
pilots within a craft going towards this

1086
00:51:55,609 --> 00:51:53,079
object and what he describes and this is

1087
00:51:59,099 --> 00:51:55,619
an individual who is within 100 feet

1088
00:52:01,620 --> 00:51:59,109
approximately of this object that's

1089
00:52:03,900 --> 00:52:01,630
commonly now known as the Tic Tac and

1090
00:52:06,690 --> 00:52:03,910
you'll see that I've reported on a few

1091
00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:06,700
details about this there you know about

1092
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:10,420
there being a seam on the object about

1093
00:52:14,970 --> 00:52:12,970
it having zero traditional propulsion

1094
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:14,980
through any of the different types of

1095
00:52:19,710 --> 00:52:17,890
optics that were used so for example you

1096
00:52:21,420 --> 00:52:19,720
have FLIR as a pilot you can look

1097
00:52:23,970 --> 00:52:21,430
through you have many different kind of

1098
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:23,980
layers of optics that can be used the

1099
00:52:28,289 --> 00:52:26,559
the whole video of that event of that

1100
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:28,299
particular type of video has not been

1101
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:31,359
released the reason being is that some

1102
00:52:36,539 --> 00:52:34,210
of the ways the radar hooks on to an

1103
00:52:38,730 --> 00:52:36,549
object that is still considered national

1104
00:52:40,349 --> 00:52:38,740
security so the parts of it that were

1105
00:52:42,359 --> 00:52:40,359
released publicly I think it's great to

1106
00:52:45,539 --> 00:52:42,369
have anything released

1107
00:52:48,660 --> 00:52:45,549
additionally something that was that I

1108
00:52:50,910 --> 00:52:48,670
have said before is visually that this

1109
00:52:53,370 --> 00:52:50,920
object had a couple of Penda jizz and

1110
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:53,380
that's I find that very interesting it

1111
00:53:00,019 --> 00:52:56,410
made people believe that the tic tacs

1112
00:53:02,910 --> 00:53:00,029
were in fact for a lack of a better term

1113
00:53:05,370 --> 00:53:02,920
docking with something just under the

1114
00:53:08,670 --> 00:53:05,380
water and now if you really listen to

1115
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:08,680
the reports you can kind of summarize by

1116
00:53:14,819 --> 00:53:11,650
the words being used that these objects

1117
00:53:16,859 --> 00:53:14,829
coming in from above 80,000 feet which

1118
00:53:18,210 --> 00:53:16,869
is the kind of scope of the radar system

1119
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:18,220
that we're talking about here and

1120
00:53:23,069 --> 00:53:20,890
dropping down to anywhere between zero

1121
00:53:25,950 --> 00:53:23,079
and fifty feet above the water that it

1122
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:25,960
was coming to a specific place and that

1123
00:53:32,730 --> 00:53:28,930
place under the water there was a 747

1124
00:53:35,550 --> 00:53:32,740
sized circle of churning water as if

1125
00:53:38,220 --> 00:53:35,560
there was something underneath the water

1126
00:53:40,830 --> 00:53:38,230
us Oh unidentified submerged object

1127
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:40,840
which indeed there was and so these

1128
00:53:45,150 --> 00:53:42,970
objects would come down and to the for

1129
00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:45,160
lack of a better term dock with that

1130
00:53:51,210 --> 00:53:48,910
thing and this was observed by by pilots

1131
00:53:55,890 --> 00:53:51,220
by multitude of pilots actually on the

1132
00:53:59,720 --> 00:53:55,900
14th it was by two separate sets of two

1133
00:54:03,150 --> 00:53:59,730
separate jets which means eight people

1134
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:03,160
so you have eight eyewitnesses you have

1135
00:54:09,060 --> 00:54:06,640
radar controllers many types of radar

1136
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:09,070
systems and then you have this really

1137
00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:11,910
unique Tibble I believe it's called

1138
00:54:19,010 --> 00:54:15,790
system that is this you know optics

1139
00:54:22,830 --> 00:54:19,020
system where you can beam a feed from

1140
00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:22,840
almost any type of vehicle directly into

1141
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:26,140
a command center so that footage that I

1142
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,570
have heard about is really interesting

1143
00:54:33,690 --> 00:54:30,720
because it doesn't just show the tic-tac

1144
00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:33,700
now that information that footage is not

1145
00:54:42,030 --> 00:54:38,590
public have you seen it I first of all

1146
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:42,040
Jimmy if I had seen it I I wouldn't say

1147
00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:50,960
but every let's be honest so language

1148
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:54,430
but Jeremy we're gonna head to a break

1149
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:57,130
here the important question is why not

1150
00:55:02,250 --> 00:55:00,160
if you are in possession of it or have

1151
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:02,260
access to it why not release it right

1152
00:55:07,710 --> 00:55:04,930
now who I don't have possession that

1153
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:07,720
would be classified now the other thing

1154
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:10,690
is is the footage itself if I was aware

1155
00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:12,730
of it or had possession of it or had

1156
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:15,460
seen it prior like a lot of people there

1157
00:55:21,060 --> 00:55:18,730
is no way to know its classification by

1158
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:21,070
doing something as irresponsible as just

1159
00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:22,810
putting it out through unconventional

1160
00:55:29,580 --> 00:55:26,500
means it causes people with real lives

1161
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:29,590
real families problems because where did

1162
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:31,690
you get that footage and I believe that

1163
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:33,250
was part of the reason why there was the

1164
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:35,530
2007 intelligence study when someone

1165
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:37,390
like David flavor comes back with his

1166
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,930
craft

1167
00:55:43,500 --> 00:55:40,000
they take the footage and they put it in

1168
00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:43,510
a secure vault it is in that vault it is

1169
00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:45,670
deemed classified by being in that vault

1170
00:55:50,370 --> 00:55:47,470
as I understand it

1171
00:55:52,530 --> 00:55:50,380
somebody got that footage digitized it

1172
00:55:57,060 --> 00:55:52,540
and put it into the public realm for a

1173
00:56:00,720 --> 00:55:57,070
moment in 2007 that is a huge breach of

1174
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:00,730
of security and that was not david

1175
00:56:06,110 --> 00:56:02,890
flavor who did that he believes that

1176
00:56:10,110 --> 00:56:06,120
whoever did that should be taken to jail

1177
00:56:12,780 --> 00:56:10,120
so there is a story there that is yet to

1178
00:56:16,290 --> 00:56:12,790
be told about how that footage got out

1179
00:56:18,690 --> 00:56:16,300
in the first place now the the the two

1180
00:56:20,940 --> 00:56:18,700
videos what one specifically has nothing

1181
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:20,950
to do with flavor at all right okay so

1182
00:56:26,540 --> 00:56:22,510
that's that has nothing to do with

1183
00:56:29,820 --> 00:56:26,550
flavor the the tic-tac video may be

1184
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:29,830
associated with flavor but that that

1185
00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:33,010
specific footage that is the tic-tac

1186
00:56:40,050 --> 00:56:37,480
video favor wasn't on site that is not

1187
00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:40,060
from favors plane or from his wingman's

1188
00:56:44,250 --> 00:56:41,950
am I correct I

1189
00:56:46,890 --> 00:56:44,260
he has never publicly clarified that

1190
00:56:48,860 --> 00:56:46,900
right see I have I have issues the

1191
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:48,870
reason why I have issues with that is

1192
00:56:54,540 --> 00:56:51,970
favor is you know he's on screen he's

1193
00:56:59,070 --> 00:56:54,550
being interviewed live on different news

1194
00:57:01,020 --> 00:56:59,080
outlets telling his story which is a

1195
00:57:03,150 --> 00:57:01,030
fantastic story and it needs to be told

1196
00:57:06,300 --> 00:57:03,160
it's it's an experience and an event

1197
00:57:08,010 --> 00:57:06,310
that needs to be told but at the same

1198
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:08,020
time the network's are playing these

1199
00:57:13,830 --> 00:57:11,230
other two videos alongside with his you

1200
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:13,840
know his interview and the Association

1201
00:57:18,330 --> 00:57:15,490
is made and it's never been clarified

1202
00:57:20,310 --> 00:57:18,340
can you imagine the frustration that he

1203
00:57:23,010 --> 00:57:20,320
must have when he's doing an interview

1204
00:57:25,890 --> 00:57:23,020
on camera and he doesn't know what Fox

1205
00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:25,900
News is showing over his words that's

1206
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:28,150
right that's right there is frustration

1207
00:57:35,070 --> 00:57:32,770
but also he sees it the next day and I

1208
00:57:37,170 --> 00:57:35,080
can tell you though look whatever you

1209
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:37,180
know footage we're seeing there may be

1210
00:57:42,540 --> 00:57:40,720
really good reasons why if somebody else

1211
00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:42,550
took footage or whoever took the footage

1212
00:57:46,290 --> 00:57:44,680
in the first place you know maybe they

1213
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,300
are still employed by the by the

1214
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:48,160
military maybe they're not in a position

1215
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:51,250
to be able to publicly speak about it so

1216
00:57:56,970 --> 00:57:54,160
we can assume all the things we want but

1217
00:57:58,800 --> 00:57:56,980
if it's not been publicly sad then it's

1218
00:57:59,950 --> 00:57:58,810
not something that you know I think is

1219
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:59,960
uh

1220
00:58:04,210 --> 00:58:01,520
pertinent to get into because I think

1221
00:58:06,670 --> 00:58:04,220
people some people's careers are at risk

1222
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:06,680
if you know you step over those bounds

1223
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:09,680
yeah I agree with that and and and we

1224
00:58:14,650 --> 00:58:12,170
need to be careful here but the other

1225
00:58:16,510 --> 00:58:14,660
part is who is responsible for

1226
00:58:18,310 --> 00:58:16,520
misleading the public this way is it

1227
00:58:21,820 --> 00:58:18,320
purely on the shoulders of the networks

1228
00:58:25,060 --> 00:58:21,830
and mainstream media or why isn't there

1229
00:58:26,670 --> 00:58:25,070
been a clarification from T TSA about

1230
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:26,680
these different interviews saying hey

1231
00:58:33,310 --> 00:58:30,890
this is the these are not the same thing

1232
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:33,320
you know Brightwood wouldn't it be it

1233
00:58:38,109 --> 00:58:35,210
wouldn't it have been nice if that was

1234
00:58:40,210 --> 00:58:38,119
extremely you clarified at the beginning

1235
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:40,220
and in fact I was and you can look back

1236
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:42,050
at public record the first person to say

1237
00:58:48,849 --> 00:58:44,810
the the other one was from 2015 I put a

1238
00:58:51,579 --> 00:58:48,859
date on it right and that other series

1239
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:51,589
of events you know that are getting

1240
00:58:55,420 --> 00:58:53,330
lumped in we're calling it the gimbal

1241
00:58:57,970 --> 00:58:55,430
video yeah that was from the East Coast

1242
00:59:00,339 --> 00:58:57,980
in 2015 compared to us and for the West

1243
00:59:02,050 --> 00:59:00,349
Coast and that is a huge problem I mean

1244
00:59:04,810 --> 00:59:02,060
I'm sitting here watching it thinking oh

1245
00:59:06,490 --> 00:59:04,820
man the news has really messed up but at

1246
00:59:08,109 --> 00:59:06,500
the same time they didn't have all the

1247
00:59:10,270 --> 00:59:08,119
information not even for the New York

1248
00:59:13,660 --> 00:59:10,280
Times article or the political article

1249
00:59:15,220 --> 00:59:13,670
so it's frustrating but at least you

1250
00:59:17,020 --> 00:59:15,230
know we have something we can go off and

1251
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:17,030
these are the types of questions that

1252
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:19,760
need to be asked right now yeah it has

1253
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:22,250
to be it has to be that way let's let's

1254
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:23,930
take a break we got to do that right now

1255
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,690
our guest tonight Jeremy Kenyan lock

1256
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:28,400
your Cobra I just love saying it dude

1257
00:59:33,490 --> 00:59:31,849
love saying it love saying it okay we've

1258
00:59:35,740 --> 00:59:33,500
got a lot to cover tonight so everybody

1259
00:59:40,210 --> 00:59:35,750
stay with us we're talking about the

1260
00:59:41,890 --> 00:59:40,220
Navy Pentagon gun camera gimbal footage

1261
00:59:44,109 --> 00:59:41,900
that is out we're talking about that

1262
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:44,119
we're gonna get to bob lazar skinwalker

1263
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:47,599
ranch and of course patient 17 is fade

1264
00:59:50,859 --> 00:59:49,010
to black I'll be right back more of

1265
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:50,869
Jeremy Korbel right after this short

1266
01:00:05,709 --> 00:59:57,760
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all right welcome back Faye the black

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our guest tonight Jeremy Kenyon lock

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your kohrville director it's got lots of

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out now Jeremy I was just thinking

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morning halfway between here and Palm

1340
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:07,190
Springs and we'll do a clandestine USB

1341
01:04:12,070 --> 01:04:09,410
Drive drop you just get me the videos

1342
01:04:13,710 --> 01:04:12,080
I'll release amend and I don't know

1343
01:04:17,050 --> 01:04:13,720
where I got them nobody will know I

1344
01:04:18,790 --> 01:04:17,060
don't have any videos that you know need

1345
01:04:21,490 --> 01:04:18,800
to be released to the public I think

1346
01:04:25,030 --> 01:04:21,500
there's a really good movement right now

1347
01:04:27,460 --> 01:04:25,040
we're information and videos are getting

1348
01:04:29,470 --> 01:04:27,470
out there are more those videos will

1349
01:04:32,410 --> 01:04:29,480
come out no they're not available in the

1350
01:04:34,060 --> 01:04:32,420
public domain at this time make of that

1351
01:04:36,670 --> 01:04:34,070
what you will but I think there is a

1352
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:36,680
process involved right now that I think

1353
01:04:42,310 --> 01:04:39,410
I you know I feel very positive about it

1354
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:42,320
imagine for two years I'm looking at

1355
01:04:48,550 --> 01:04:45,050
this case I'm looking at it through with

1356
01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:48,560
you know very closely yet I don't have

1357
01:04:54,820 --> 01:04:51,920
the ability to tell anybody look if we

1358
01:04:56,890 --> 01:04:54,830
put these out your story is going to be

1359
01:04:58,690 --> 01:04:56,900
shielded that there is a process in

1360
01:05:01,300 --> 01:04:58,700
place and you're gonna be just fine

1361
01:05:03,550 --> 01:05:01,310
that was my dilemma I am not part of the

1362
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:03,560
government I've never taken a security

1363
01:05:09,730 --> 01:05:07,130
oath or had clearance in any way so I am

1364
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:09,740
in no position to do that kind of thing

1365
01:05:15,490 --> 01:05:12,410
however the the the process that is

1366
01:05:17,260 --> 01:05:15,500
currently underway I think it is very

1367
01:05:19,030 --> 01:05:17,270
possible that we're gonna be getting

1368
01:05:20,890 --> 01:05:19,040
more and more information from it in a

1369
01:05:23,380 --> 01:05:20,900
legitimate form and I think that is

1370
01:05:25,060 --> 01:05:23,390
really good yeah I want to be clear to

1371
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:25,070
everybody too as well when it comes to

1372
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:27,610
to the stars and and what they've done

1373
01:05:36,010 --> 01:05:31,730
pulling the the mass media in like they

1374
01:05:38,860 --> 01:05:36,020
did to which has been just you know so

1375
01:05:42,940 --> 01:05:38,870
negative about the UFO phenomenon and

1376
01:05:45,970 --> 01:05:42,950
questions that for it to go as far and

1377
01:05:48,190 --> 01:05:45,980
wide and for as long as it did I've got

1378
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:48,200
to commend them for that now I they have

1379
01:05:51,530 --> 01:05:51,110
the money and the resources to pull that

1380
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,540
off

1381
01:05:55,910 --> 01:05:53,520
and and they did and they brought the

1382
01:05:59,720 --> 01:05:55,920
awareness up to a level that we haven't

1383
01:06:02,359 --> 01:05:59,730
seen maybe ever so I commend them for

1384
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:02,369
that the ball drops on every side is

1385
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:05,250
what has caused us to just back up and

1386
01:06:11,390 --> 01:06:09,330
go oh man you know because there was so

1387
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:11,400
much relief out there with the UFO

1388
01:06:16,340 --> 01:06:13,050
community and the question of disclosure

1389
01:06:19,220 --> 01:06:16,350
and finally you know we got somewhere

1390
01:06:20,570 --> 01:06:19,230
and then it's just one black mark after

1391
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:20,580
another and we've got to figure out a

1392
01:06:25,730 --> 01:06:23,520
way to get this all back and my question

1393
01:06:28,190 --> 01:06:25,740
to you is do you think that the

1394
01:06:30,410 --> 01:06:28,200
mainstream media is gonna respond in the

1395
01:06:33,230 --> 01:06:30,420
same dramatic fashion the next time

1396
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,240
around well it depends what's released

1397
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:35,520
but I think that they will have to yeah

1398
01:06:39,890 --> 01:06:37,380
I also do think you know some huge

1399
01:06:42,830 --> 01:06:39,900
things were achieved we know things now

1400
01:06:44,090 --> 01:06:42,840
that we didn't know then of course we're

1401
01:06:46,910 --> 01:06:44,100
putting them through the microscope

1402
01:06:49,940 --> 01:06:46,920
right now but you know we have now it

1403
01:06:52,220 --> 01:06:49,950
was funny man I looked on line and

1404
01:06:55,220 --> 01:06:52,230
started doing a little cross analysis of

1405
01:06:57,500 --> 01:06:55,230
who these Pentagon spokespeople are how

1406
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:57,510
many of them there are and what

1407
01:07:04,430 --> 01:07:00,480
precisely they said directly related to

1408
01:07:07,820 --> 01:07:04,440
AAT IP and I found the funniest thing so

1409
01:07:12,109 --> 01:07:07,830
there were three Pentagon spokespeople

1410
01:07:14,660 --> 01:07:12,119
who have directly responded about AAT IP

1411
01:07:16,490 --> 01:07:14,670
and I took all of their quotes and I put

1412
01:07:20,810 --> 01:07:16,500
them on a board and what's funny is

1413
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:20,820
there's only two exact statements by all

1414
01:07:27,020 --> 01:07:23,609
three Pentagon spokespersons there is

1415
01:07:30,170 --> 01:07:27,030
Dana White Thomas crossing and Laura Oh

1416
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:30,180
Cho right and they made only two

1417
01:07:35,150 --> 01:07:32,850
statements out of the three of them the

1418
01:07:38,359 --> 01:07:35,160
advanced aviation threat identification

1419
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:38,369
program ended in 2012 timeframe that's

1420
01:07:42,020 --> 01:07:40,290
the first thing they said the other

1421
01:07:43,970 --> 01:07:42,030
thing they said was it was determined

1422
01:07:45,830 --> 01:07:43,980
that there were other high priority

1423
01:07:47,570 --> 01:07:45,840
issues that merited funding and it was

1424
01:07:50,030 --> 01:07:47,580
in the best interest of the deity to

1425
01:07:53,450 --> 01:07:50,040
make a change I mean three people saying

1426
01:07:55,550 --> 01:07:53,460
the exact same two statements I happen

1427
01:07:59,180 --> 01:07:55,560
to know that both of those statements

1428
01:08:02,200 --> 01:07:59,190
are false and I find that incredibly

1429
01:08:04,100 --> 01:08:02,210
interesting well who do you think

1430
01:08:05,930 --> 01:08:04,110
changed the name

1431
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:05,940
you've heard me talk about this a lot

1432
01:08:13,490 --> 01:08:10,170
from aviation to aerospace again really

1433
01:08:14,810 --> 01:08:13,500
misleading aerospace sounds UFO ish

1434
01:08:18,380 --> 01:08:14,820
sounds cool

1435
01:08:22,130 --> 01:08:18,390
it's aerospace right the correct name

1436
01:08:25,340 --> 01:08:22,140
was aviation somebody changed it

1437
01:08:27,290 --> 01:08:25,350
somewhere who did you're saying it's the

1438
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:27,300
correct name I think that we're still

1439
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:29,850
open to debate about that let's go

1440
01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:31,920
through the history of the names and

1441
01:08:36,530 --> 01:08:34,620
exactly how that was put out to the

1442
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:36,540
public again you're not speaking on

1443
01:08:42,530 --> 01:08:39,810
behalf of t TSA oh yeah I have no

1444
01:08:44,270 --> 01:08:42,540
association with TTS other than I really

1445
01:08:46,010 --> 01:08:44,280
am rooting for them in the process

1446
01:08:48,230 --> 01:08:46,020
they're doing I think it's fabulous what

1447
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:48,240
has come out but let's go over that

1448
01:08:54,290 --> 01:08:50,490
let's go over the specifics of that one

1449
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:54,300
lingering a an AAT IP meaning aerospace

1450
01:08:58,880 --> 01:08:56,400
or aviation because I mean look I had

1451
01:09:01,310 --> 01:08:58,890
that thought to is you know what how

1452
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,320
does that change our understanding when

1453
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:03,359
you say aerospace or aviation so the

1454
01:09:08,570 --> 01:09:05,250
first mention of this ever in the

1455
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:08,580
history of you know public mansion was

1456
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:10,890
in the New York Times article just beat

1457
01:09:16,370 --> 01:09:13,650
Politico by the smallest punch and that

1458
01:09:18,980 --> 01:09:16,380
was written by three people right so in

1459
01:09:20,690 --> 01:09:18,990
that it's advanced aerospace threat

1460
01:09:23,180 --> 01:09:20,700
identification program that was the

1461
01:09:25,849 --> 01:09:23,190
first mention immediately or at the same

1462
01:09:28,130 --> 01:09:25,859
time you then have Politico and they

1463
01:09:31,010 --> 01:09:28,140
come out through Brian bender saying

1464
01:09:33,500 --> 01:09:31,020
advanced aviation threat identification

1465
01:09:36,170 --> 01:09:33,510
program so already we have this question

1466
01:09:38,750 --> 01:09:36,180
of the a what is it what is it which one

1467
01:09:40,820 --> 01:09:38,760
isn't right then you have these three

1468
01:09:42,620 --> 01:09:40,830
Pentagon spokespersons that came out all

1469
01:09:46,579 --> 01:09:42,630
there's there's a fourth I want to talk

1470
01:09:49,670 --> 01:09:46,589
about who was just very verbal for the

1471
01:09:52,430 --> 01:09:49,680
for the wired article right that just

1472
01:09:53,630 --> 01:09:52,440
came out right very verbal I mean said

1473
01:09:56,570 --> 01:09:53,640
more statements that all of them

1474
01:09:58,340 --> 01:09:56,580
combined wholly outside of the scope of

1475
01:09:59,960 --> 01:09:58,350
what was the written this is what you're

1476
01:10:01,250 --> 01:09:59,970
supposed to say which is what these

1477
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:01,260
press people do that's why you have

1478
01:10:05,780 --> 01:10:04,050
exact quotes from these three others

1479
01:10:07,930 --> 01:10:05,790
Pentagon spokespersons that are

1480
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:07,940
identical right now we're talking about

1481
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:11,970
Audrey Jie Paris yeah we'll get to her

1482
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:15,090
in a minute so so first off right just

1483
01:10:22,370 --> 01:10:17,930
about the the a in the AAT IP

1484
01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:22,380
so to the best of my knowledge which you

1485
01:10:26,510 --> 01:10:24,450
know goes went way beyond these public

1486
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:26,520
statements it is my understanding that

1487
01:10:31,940 --> 01:10:29,490
the acronym was for aerospace that this

1488
01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:31,950
was indeed a program

1489
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:34,860
remember they say Lou Elizondo he was in

1490
01:10:40,490 --> 01:10:38,250
charge of this you know he was tasked

1491
01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:40,500
with this for 10 years but we're being

1492
01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:43,710
told it was only 2007 to 2012 that's

1493
01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:46,110
only five years well there's a story in

1494
01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:48,630
that and that story goes back to

1495
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:51,300
skinwalker ranch that I will be

1496
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:53,370
revealing that in my film that that

1497
01:10:59,750 --> 01:10:56,370
story will be told which is what exactly

1498
01:11:03,130 --> 01:10:59,760
that 22 million dollars was for was a

1499
01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:03,140
eighty IP in existence prior to 2007

1500
01:11:08,690 --> 01:11:06,300
indeed it was and then you know the

1501
01:11:10,130 --> 01:11:08,700
exact name most people would you know on

1502
01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:10,140
the inside of that would say well it's

1503
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:11,580
really not that important but I know

1504
01:11:14,510 --> 01:11:12,930
people do think it's important because

1505
01:11:16,370 --> 01:11:14,520
if you're doing for air requests or

1506
01:11:19,010 --> 01:11:16,380
anything like that it's good to be

1507
01:11:22,460 --> 01:11:19,020
specific so I'd like to say that the

1508
01:11:25,820 --> 01:11:22,470
jury is still out on what the official

1509
01:11:27,650 --> 01:11:25,830
acronym was I'm not gonna say you know

1510
01:11:30,530 --> 01:11:27,660
personally my understanding is that it

1511
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:30,540
was aerospace but the conflict comes in

1512
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:33,120
two articles on the same day New York

1513
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:35,310
Times and Politico they called it

1514
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:37,650
something different and that's where the

1515
01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:39,570
problem came in from the get-go

1516
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:42,450
yeah and for the UFO community you know

1517
01:11:46,940 --> 01:11:45,120
if it would have been aviation there

1518
01:11:48,410 --> 01:11:46,950
were some well okay it's aviation and it

1519
01:11:51,290 --> 01:11:48,420
has something to do you know what I mean

1520
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:51,300
but you insert aerospace that gets

1521
01:11:56,690 --> 01:11:54,330
everybody excited yours truly included I

1522
01:12:00,020 --> 01:11:56,700
do understand that but no matter what

1523
01:12:02,660 --> 01:12:00,030
the acronym was it was tasked with a

1524
01:12:04,700 --> 01:12:02,670
very specific task and that was

1525
01:12:06,860 --> 01:12:04,710
confirmed in the political article by

1526
01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:06,870
Dana White the existence of the program

1527
01:12:14,150 --> 01:12:10,440
that was run by Elizondo and so that

1528
01:12:18,190 --> 01:12:14,160
program was in existence prior to this

1529
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:18,200
this 22 million it is currently still

1530
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:21,930
existing in fact as we know every branch

1531
01:12:25,670 --> 01:12:23,760
of our military every intelligence

1532
01:12:28,460 --> 01:12:25,680
agency has programs we're seeing a drop

1533
01:12:30,110 --> 01:12:28,470
in the bucket 22 million my joke because

1534
01:12:30,710 --> 01:12:30,120
it's true is the military spends more

1535
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:30,720
money on

1536
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:34,410
viagra than it does on this program it's

1537
01:12:37,940 --> 01:12:36,000
hilarious there are Studies on that you

1538
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:37,950
can look up my buddy who's a helicopter

1539
01:12:41,810 --> 01:12:39,570
pilot told me about it and it's

1540
01:12:44,270 --> 01:12:41,820
hilarious so let's get back to the point

1541
01:12:46,340 --> 01:12:44,280
the point being people are kind of up in

1542
01:12:49,370 --> 01:12:46,350
arms like well wait a second you made it

1543
01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:49,380
sexier by saying aerospace instead of

1544
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:51,960
aviation and and the jury is still out

1545
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,330
on the exact acronym it is my

1546
01:13:01,490 --> 01:12:56,400
understanding that it was aerospace and

1547
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:01,500
and has been do you think that Elizondo

1548
01:13:07,460 --> 01:13:04,500
will will come forward with you know

1549
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:07,470
some direct documentation on his

1550
01:13:12,350 --> 01:13:10,320
position there there must be this is the

1551
01:13:16,430 --> 01:13:12,360
thing did he work for the DoD or did he

1552
01:13:20,810 --> 01:13:16,440
work for a tip and I mean directly there

1553
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:20,820
must be simple things like emails letter

1554
01:13:29,690 --> 01:13:27,210
heads inter inter Pentagon paperwork

1555
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:29,700
that is not classified that just simply

1556
01:13:34,610 --> 01:13:31,970
says what his job is and what he does I

1557
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:34,620
don't think that's any anything that

1558
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:37,530
would be classified well yeah quite work

1559
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:39,360
like that if you remember how you know

1560
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:41,130
his own boss wasn't even completely

1561
01:13:46,580 --> 01:13:43,890
aware of what what the work was that he

1562
01:13:48,410 --> 01:13:46,590
was doing so to you know to say well can

1563
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:48,420
I get a pay stub with your title on it

1564
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:50,250
it's it's from what I understand it's

1565
01:13:54,830 --> 01:13:52,650
not quite that simple but I do believe

1566
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:54,840
that proof was given to the writers of

1567
01:14:00,050 --> 01:13:56,610
the New York Times so that they can

1568
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:00,060
confirm his position and you know time

1569
01:14:06,980 --> 01:14:03,930
will tell if more comes out on that but

1570
01:14:08,570 --> 01:14:06,990
I believe their questions were satisfied

1571
01:14:10,220 --> 01:14:08,580
by the documentation paperwork that were

1572
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:10,230
showed to them that was that gonna be

1573
01:14:16,190 --> 01:14:12,810
made public how could I know that

1574
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:16,200
yeah no I'm not yeah I'm suggesting do

1575
01:14:19,940 --> 01:14:17,880
you think that he will come forward with

1576
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:19,950
it I mean these questions are out there

1577
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:23,280
now all right so you know we just need

1578
01:14:28,610 --> 01:14:25,650
clarification let's just just move for

1579
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:28,620
there are so many different and and we

1580
01:14:34,850 --> 01:14:30,690
are so used to it you know you and I and

1581
01:14:38,300 --> 01:14:34,860
others in the community so used to these

1582
01:14:40,910 --> 01:14:38,310
these dead ends right where nothing gets

1583
01:14:42,150 --> 01:14:40,920
resolved well in this case we have the

1584
01:14:44,130 --> 01:14:42,160
person we

1585
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:44,140
have the job there isn't a dead end here

1586
01:14:47,850 --> 01:14:46,330
there's a question there's so many

1587
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:47,860
little black clouds

1588
01:14:52,410 --> 01:14:49,930
okay well let's clarify each one of

1589
01:14:54,390 --> 01:14:52,420
these and then we can relax and move

1590
01:14:57,210 --> 01:14:54,400
forward and and get back to the business

1591
01:15:00,270 --> 01:14:57,220
at hand yeah it's it is a shame that

1592
01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:00,280
there is you know some confusion about

1593
01:15:04,170 --> 01:15:02,110
for example something close to my heart

1594
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:04,180
which is the tic-tac case because you

1595
01:15:10,110 --> 01:15:07,330
know there you have eight pilots one

1596
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:10,120
who's come forward directly and publicly

1597
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:12,730
you have radar control operators you

1598
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:15,930
have multiple radar you know systems and

1599
01:15:22,050 --> 01:15:19,170
lots of different types of footage and

1600
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:22,060
that you know it's it's a shame like if

1601
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:23,280
you're gonna if you're gonna come out

1602
01:15:29,250 --> 01:15:26,170
right then then come come fully out with

1603
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:29,260
it but at the same time we know more now

1604
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:32,170
than we did before thanks to these

1605
01:15:37,380 --> 01:15:35,170
announcements guaranteed we have an

1606
01:15:40,620 --> 01:15:37,390
acknowledged program whatever the a

1607
01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:40,630
stands for to study threat

1608
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:43,510
identification of advanced craft now we

1609
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:46,450
were told that ended in 1969 with

1610
01:15:50,430 --> 01:15:48,400
Project Blue Book this is an official

1611
01:15:52,650 --> 01:15:50,440
confirmation of a program that does that

1612
01:15:54,570 --> 01:15:52,660
thank you I'll take that that's

1613
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:54,580
interesting it's something to go off of

1614
01:15:59,940 --> 01:15:57,610
so we have learned a number of very

1615
01:16:01,620 --> 01:15:59,950
specific things since then that I think

1616
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:01,630
are very good for the people that are

1617
01:16:07,380 --> 01:16:04,210
interested two things that are

1618
01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:07,390
completely bypassed by the general

1619
01:16:11,460 --> 01:16:09,490
readers of these articles and I actually

1620
01:16:14,370 --> 01:16:11,470
don't know how these things made it into

1621
01:16:18,060 --> 01:16:14,380
the article because they I mean it's a

1622
01:16:21,210 --> 01:16:18,070
whole nother layer the fact they

1623
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:21,220
mentioned these but as you remember they

1624
01:16:27,090 --> 01:16:24,330
specifically talked about alloys and

1625
01:16:30,930 --> 01:16:27,100
about skiffs that were built at Bigelow

1626
01:16:35,310 --> 01:16:30,940
Aerospace to hold materials associated

1627
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:35,320
with what we call UFOs or really a AVS

1628
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:36,490
that's another thing I want to throw

1629
01:16:41,490 --> 01:16:39,810
down there is that internally within the

1630
01:16:46,350 --> 01:16:41,500
Department of Defense and and

1631
01:16:50,430 --> 01:16:46,360
specifically I'll say aadip was a dia

1632
01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:50,440
operation it was a dia operation at

1633
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:52,450
least for a long time that's a Defense

1634
01:16:56,100 --> 01:16:55,120
Intelligence II intelligence operation

1635
01:16:58,680 --> 01:16:56,110
which is kind of

1636
01:17:03,240 --> 01:16:58,690
branch of you know the Department of

1637
01:17:06,300 --> 01:17:03,250
Defense so it's fascinating to me that

1638
01:17:08,939 --> 01:17:06,310
you know we now know and we're told that

1639
01:17:11,580 --> 01:17:08,949
there are physical materials at one time

1640
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:11,590
being housed at Bigelow Aerospace and

1641
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:14,290
these gifts that they built for holding

1642
01:17:20,010 --> 01:17:17,770
the these these alloys I think if this

1643
01:17:22,890 --> 01:17:20,020
information does come out in the way

1644
01:17:24,450 --> 01:17:22,900
that everybody is hoping it does that I

1645
01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:24,460
think there's already a gross

1646
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:26,830
misunderstanding of what they meant by

1647
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:29,050
that in the New York Times article it's

1648
01:17:34,050 --> 01:17:31,360
not like they found new elements that

1649
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:34,060
didn't exist anywhere else right I think

1650
01:17:38,010 --> 01:17:36,400
the key there is the atomic layering I

1651
01:17:39,570 --> 01:17:38,020
think that that's gonna become the

1652
01:17:41,729 --> 01:17:39,580
really interesting thing which is

1653
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:41,739
something I've looked a lot at when I'm

1654
01:17:45,419 --> 01:17:44,170
dealing with the nanotechnology and when

1655
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:45,429
I'm filling on that matter

1656
01:17:52,050 --> 01:17:49,810
perfect atomic layering imagine that how

1657
01:17:55,109 --> 01:17:52,060
that can be done beyond something that

1658
01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:55,119
we right now as humans what we can do so

1659
01:18:00,180 --> 01:17:58,090
if that all starts bursting at the seams

1660
01:18:02,340 --> 01:18:00,190
and coming out remember they said it in

1661
01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:02,350
the New York time is that they're our

1662
01:18:07,470 --> 01:18:05,350
allies and that the structure of these

1663
01:18:08,910 --> 01:18:07,480
alloys reveals certain principles I

1664
01:18:10,859 --> 01:18:08,920
don't know anything about that

1665
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:10,869
I'm more into type Allah's are the

1666
01:18:14,970 --> 01:18:13,570
element 115 theory right but but I think

1667
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:14,980
everybody should pay attention to that

1668
01:18:18,510 --> 01:18:16,719
the other thing people should pay

1669
01:18:22,050 --> 01:18:18,520
attention to that I don't think people

1670
01:18:24,450 --> 01:18:22,060
picked up on are the medical studies the

1671
01:18:26,430 --> 01:18:24,460
medical studies that were mentioned for

1672
01:18:29,370 --> 01:18:26,440
UAP or what however you want to call it

1673
01:18:32,220 --> 01:18:29,380
these days but encounters by government

1674
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:32,230
officials so it prolonged exposure to

1675
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:36,010
unidentified aerial phenomena or ufos or

1676
01:18:41,090 --> 01:18:38,650
a AVS right and though there were

1677
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:41,100
medical studies that have been underway

1678
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:43,510
now we don't know more about that

1679
01:18:47,580 --> 01:18:46,000
there's nothing about that publicly but

1680
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:47,590
keep that on your radar

1681
01:18:58,290 --> 01:18:53,610
I got email yesterday that said that

1682
01:18:59,970 --> 01:18:58,300
well pretty specifically that that TTS a

1683
01:19:03,180 --> 01:18:59,980
in Elizondo are going to come forward

1684
01:19:05,450 --> 01:19:03,190
and back off of the alien aspect of the

1685
01:19:08,510 --> 01:19:05,460
alloys that there's a terrestrial

1686
01:19:10,580 --> 01:19:08,520
explanation have you heard anything

1687
01:19:12,500 --> 01:19:10,590
about that no that would be that would

1688
01:19:14,570 --> 01:19:12,510
be fascinating you know cuz that is kind

1689
01:19:17,330 --> 01:19:14,580
of The Smoking Gun that is what

1690
01:19:20,540 --> 01:19:17,340
everybody wants to know do you know see

1691
01:19:22,790 --> 01:19:20,550
did you see I'm sorry if I cut you off I

1692
01:19:25,450 --> 01:19:22,800
apologize for that Jeremy did you see or

1693
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:25,460
hear anything about elizondo's taped

1694
01:19:31,010 --> 01:19:28,410
presentation at the Congress oh you know

1695
01:19:33,790 --> 01:19:31,020
I I didn't I heard that he was going to

1696
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:33,800
answer questions by doing a taped

1697
01:19:39,020 --> 01:19:36,810
interview I you know look I'm really

1698
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:39,030
stoked that George Knapp was able to

1699
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:42,480
mail down on-camera Harry Reid who

1700
01:19:46,910 --> 01:19:44,730
spearheaded this entire 22 million

1701
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:46,920
dollars and Elizondo because there's not

1702
01:19:51,230 --> 01:19:49,170
enough footage of them out there really

1703
01:19:53,540 --> 01:19:51,240
talking you get some radio and that sort

1704
01:19:54,350 --> 01:19:53,550
of thing but to see him talk about it I

1705
01:19:57,200 --> 01:19:54,360
think it's powerful

1706
01:19:58,730 --> 01:19:57,210
I didn't hear how that went I hope it

1707
01:20:02,510 --> 01:19:58,740
went really well I think it's cool as

1708
01:20:04,310 --> 01:20:02,520
hell that Lou is doing that you know for

1709
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:04,320
the public yeah I haven't heard anything

1710
01:20:07,340 --> 01:20:04,800
either

1711
01:20:11,210 --> 01:20:07,350
it's pretty strange so I don't know I

1712
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:11,220
guess the audience is still out of the

1713
01:20:17,630 --> 01:20:12,930
Congress and hasn't heard you know fade

1714
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:17,640
to black or anything and yeah oh and I

1715
01:20:23,870 --> 01:20:20,130
would like to see it hopefully open

1716
01:20:25,970 --> 01:20:23,880
minds and of the Congress will you know

1717
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:25,980
have that out there for us to check out

1718
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:30,210
I'm very curious as to the selection of

1719
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:31,770
the questions because I'm sure there was

1720
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:34,530
a buttload that was that was submitted

1721
01:20:39,170 --> 01:20:37,170
and and what was picked and and how it

1722
01:20:44,900 --> 01:20:39,180
was answered but I haven't seen it let's

1723
01:20:47,180 --> 01:20:44,910
let's jump over to Bob Lazar the might

1724
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:47,190
might take on Bob is this and this is

1725
01:20:53,480 --> 01:20:49,290
where I just hold him up on the the

1726
01:20:56,750 --> 01:20:53,490
highest of regard just like anything

1727
01:20:59,420 --> 01:20:56,760
else in ufology he he got picked apart

1728
01:21:01,880 --> 01:20:59,430
he got picked apart and everybody went

1729
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:01,890
after him to discredit him but here we

1730
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:06,210
are in 2018 and he's the one guy right

1731
01:21:11,210 --> 01:21:08,250
that we just all admire the most he

1732
01:21:13,490 --> 01:21:11,220
survived it clone he had to leave town

1733
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:13,500
because it got a little bit rough and I

1734
01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:17,520
understand that but we all I just admire

1735
01:21:23,180 --> 01:21:21,270
him so much what is he like to you

1736
01:21:26,300 --> 01:21:23,190
when you sit down and speak with him

1737
01:21:28,729 --> 01:21:26,310
personally yeah I guess it's you know

1738
01:21:33,170 --> 01:21:28,739
one of the most interesting aspects of

1739
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:33,180
doing this documentary on Bob is first

1740
01:21:38,570 --> 01:21:35,280
of all that he said okay I mean I've

1741
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,580
known him for years and you don't push

1742
01:21:43,070 --> 01:21:40,560
somebody if you can see that something

1743
01:21:46,910 --> 01:21:43,080
causes them distress and reopening this

1744
01:21:50,270 --> 01:21:46,920
can of worms for him does I imagine to a

1745
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:50,280
degree create distress he said what he

1746
01:21:56,959 --> 01:21:54,210
wanted you to know and he told his story

1747
01:21:59,240 --> 01:21:56,969
and then wants you to use your brain and

1748
01:22:00,490 --> 01:21:59,250
decide for yourself if you don't think

1749
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:00,500
he's telling the truth

1750
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:03,360
pass it on is what he says because the

1751
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:07,050
UFO field has done nothing good for him

1752
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:09,090
and I can attest to that it's something

1753
01:22:15,190 --> 01:22:11,489
you don't typically see when watching a

1754
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:15,200
youtube video but when you get closer to

1755
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:18,330
the inner circle the small inner circle

1756
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:20,489
that Bob lets into his life you can

1757
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:24,719
clearly see how what he did in one sense

1758
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:27,810
saved his ass but another sense created

1759
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:31,440
you know distress in his life what I

1760
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:33,810
found very interesting because because

1761
01:22:37,540 --> 01:22:35,610
look I'm not and I want to be real clear

1762
01:22:40,940 --> 01:22:37,550
about this before I put out the movie I

1763
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:40,950
am NOT as Stan Freeman would like you to

1764
01:22:46,850 --> 01:22:44,130
believe a pro Lazar person I am somebody

1765
01:22:49,070 --> 01:22:46,860
looking at the evidence curious like

1766
01:22:51,860 --> 01:22:49,080
anybody else asking the hard questions

1767
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:51,870
and trying to get the answers to better

1768
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:54,930
understand it for myself and so this is

1769
01:22:59,780 --> 01:22:57,210
what I believe my film will allow you to

1770
01:23:01,910 --> 01:22:59,790
see is to go through that experience on

1771
01:23:03,979 --> 01:23:01,920
your own because I'm not gonna be

1772
01:23:05,620 --> 01:23:03,989
telling anybody what to believe I'm

1773
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:05,630
going to be providing them with as much

1774
01:23:11,870 --> 01:23:08,610
evidence and facts and new footage that

1775
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:11,880
is humanly possible remember in the

1776
01:23:17,229 --> 01:23:14,730
public domain you probably have a total

1777
01:23:20,150 --> 01:23:17,239
of 3 hours of footage of bob lazar

1778
01:23:22,340 --> 01:23:20,160
period describing his story that's not

1779
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,350
enough to judge a man and judge his

1780
01:23:28,090 --> 01:23:25,440
character so to provide more footage is

1781
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:28,100
one aspect something very interesting

1782
01:23:34,579 --> 01:23:31,920
the closer you get to Bob's inner circle

1783
01:23:36,889 --> 01:23:34,589
his family people who have never

1784
01:23:38,569 --> 01:23:36,899
spoken publicly about the experiences

1785
01:23:40,669 --> 01:23:38,579
they had surrounding this I had been

1786
01:23:42,619 --> 01:23:40,679
able to interview you name him I've been

1787
01:23:44,959 --> 01:23:42,629
able to interview him so when you get

1788
01:23:49,069 --> 01:23:44,969
closer to that inner circle his wife his

1789
01:23:51,379 --> 01:23:49,079
mom his best friend back in 1989 the

1790
01:23:54,290 --> 01:23:51,389
more you start to realize or have to

1791
01:23:56,029 --> 01:23:54,300
consider that bob is telling you the

1792
01:23:56,569 --> 01:23:56,039
damn truth and he's telling you the

1793
01:23:59,389 --> 01:23:56,579
truth

1794
01:24:01,759 --> 01:23:59,399
just does it happen as specifically as

1795
01:24:04,189 --> 01:24:01,769
possible so I found that interesting

1796
01:24:06,339 --> 01:24:04,199
because usually when you go into

1797
01:24:10,339 --> 01:24:06,349
someone's story and if they've created a

1798
01:24:14,179 --> 01:24:10,349
series of waves of lies the closer you

1799
01:24:15,859 --> 01:24:14,189
get the less believable it becomes and

1800
01:24:16,759 --> 01:24:15,869
in fact I've experienced the opposite

1801
01:24:22,270 --> 01:24:16,769
Wow

1802
01:24:25,549 --> 01:24:22,280
well is it is he aware of his impact on

1803
01:24:28,069 --> 01:24:25,559
ufology you know now which goes back you

1804
01:24:31,399 --> 01:24:28,079
know it's kind of crazy to think about

1805
01:24:36,139 --> 01:24:31,409
this but almost 30 years now yeah is he

1806
01:24:38,509 --> 01:24:36,149
is he aware you know he is aware because

1807
01:24:39,619 --> 01:24:38,519
people do stop him you know they they

1808
01:24:41,419 --> 01:24:39,629
speak with him and they ask him

1809
01:24:43,579 --> 01:24:41,429
questions and he's really gracious about

1810
01:24:46,399 --> 01:24:43,589
that he doesn't go and try to seek

1811
01:24:48,469 --> 01:24:46,409
publicity in any way he shields himself

1812
01:24:50,659 --> 01:24:48,479
from that and people that could love him

1813
01:24:52,299 --> 01:24:50,669
and care about him also you know are in

1814
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:52,309
the business of shielding him from that

1815
01:24:57,409 --> 01:24:55,050
because it's something that is

1816
01:24:59,449 --> 01:24:57,419
uncomfortable I think you know praise or

1817
01:25:02,119 --> 01:24:59,459
blame you know to Bob he doesn't really

1818
01:25:04,250 --> 01:25:02,129
take it take it on so much because

1819
01:25:06,649 --> 01:25:04,260
you're kind of like the UFO Messiah I

1820
01:25:09,259 --> 01:25:06,659
mean you're the person that really had

1821
01:25:11,779 --> 01:25:09,269
hands on if you're telling the truth so

1822
01:25:14,989 --> 01:25:11,789
I think he's aware because for example I

1823
01:25:17,359 --> 01:25:14,999
gave him a a skateboard then was

1824
01:25:18,859 --> 01:25:17,369
airbrushed with a picture of him I

1825
01:25:21,169 --> 01:25:18,869
thought it was hilarious because it was

1826
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:21,179
David Bowie Nikola Tesla then this

1827
01:25:25,279 --> 01:25:23,489
Rockstar guy named Bob lizard he was

1828
01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:25,289
laughing he couldn't believe this

1829
01:25:27,859 --> 01:25:26,639
somebody went out of their way and

1830
01:25:30,259 --> 01:25:27,869
another way to put it

1831
01:25:32,239 --> 01:25:30,269
I asked him to sign his autograph on

1832
01:25:34,609 --> 01:25:32,249
some of the posters I made for the short

1833
01:25:35,839 --> 01:25:34,619
film on Bob just releasing a few extra

1834
01:25:37,459 --> 01:25:35,849
minutes to the public because I just

1835
01:25:39,709 --> 01:25:37,469
wanted the public of a few minutes this

1836
01:25:41,659 --> 01:25:39,719
a few years ago and he said to me

1837
01:25:43,219 --> 01:25:41,669
because I are you sure I should sign

1838
01:25:44,899 --> 01:25:43,229
these I'm gonna mess up the art are you

1839
01:25:45,869 --> 01:25:44,909
sure people people want the art right

1840
01:25:48,179 --> 01:25:45,879
and I'm like

1841
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:48,189
Bob they actually brought your signature

1842
01:25:52,669 --> 01:25:50,169
man you know you could ride it on an

1843
01:25:57,569 --> 01:25:52,679
envelope so it's like he's kind of

1844
01:26:00,119 --> 01:25:57,579
unaware I think to a high degree of just

1845
01:26:02,189 --> 01:26:00,129
how much he's influenced the younger

1846
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:02,199
generation and really what I like says

1847
01:26:06,629 --> 01:26:04,090
weaponize people's curiosity because his

1848
01:26:08,599 --> 01:26:06,639
story did that for me true or not at the

1849
01:26:10,619 --> 01:26:08,609
time I was thinking about it it really

1850
01:26:14,580 --> 01:26:10,629
impacted the way I thought about it

1851
01:26:17,549 --> 01:26:14,590
probably like you so that that's Bob you

1852
01:26:19,379 --> 01:26:17,559
know he doesn't he doesn't really let it

1853
01:26:22,020 --> 01:26:19,389
get to him either way he just wants to

1854
01:26:23,009 --> 01:26:22,030
make sure now and this is why he's doing

1855
01:26:25,649 --> 01:26:23,019
this with me

1856
01:26:33,469 --> 01:26:25,659
I want to make sure now I want one of

1857
01:26:36,750 --> 01:26:33,479
those posters I knew that was coming

1858
01:26:38,339 --> 01:26:36,760
yeah but you know what's what's funny is

1859
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:38,349
but yeah it's an amazing poster man we

1860
01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:42,249
got to get a black market for those but

1861
01:26:47,219 --> 01:26:44,649
really why I think Bob has decided to

1862
01:26:49,290 --> 01:26:47,229
allow me to do this documentary and

1863
01:26:51,060 --> 01:26:49,300
literally open up every aspect of his

1864
01:26:53,459 --> 01:26:51,070
life like what phone number do you want

1865
01:26:55,259 --> 01:26:53,469
here's my phone you know what anything

1866
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you want anybody you want to talk to you

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now why is he doing that and what I've

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come to understand and we talked about

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this and you will see this in the film

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is that it is more that people have

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inserted lies they have inserted fantasy

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in places where he tried to be very

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specific and I think the weight of that

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has just become to a point where we have

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to as he said in the quotes I recently

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released pull it up by the roots we need

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to make sure that his story is exactly

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as he said it and people can't any

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longer insert their fabrications and he

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does say this is it this documentary

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what you see you know after this or you

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know it's not true this is going to be

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true this is it don't let people twist

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it he only put one parameter on me for

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the whole film he doesn't want anything

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just one thing do not fabricate anything

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and so I want there you go let's take a

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break right here Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer

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Korbel director

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talking about Bob Lazar we're gonna

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continue this part of the conversation

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Jimmy Church this is a revolution

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welcome back beta-blocker me Oh

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signature chart guess tonight Jeremy

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Korbel talking about Bob Lazar you can

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follow me on twitter @ JT radio hashtag

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myself or Jeremy

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use hashtag f to be Q I've got a bunch

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of questions here Jeremy and also you

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can follow Jeremy at Jeremy Korbel

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Jeremy I wanted to ask you this one of

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01:32:36,770 --> 01:32:34,469
the interesting aspects about lazar that

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01:32:39,919 --> 01:32:36,780
that doesn't get talked about and it and

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01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:39,929
it should is that when he left you know

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01:32:45,979 --> 01:32:41,489
Vegas went to Michigan started his

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01:32:48,049 --> 01:32:45,989
company that his company deals with some

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01:32:51,259 --> 01:32:48,059
pretty heavy materials no pun intended

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01:32:53,929 --> 01:32:51,269
some of it being nuclear but he's got

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01:32:57,379 --> 01:32:53,939
government contracts he's got contracts

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with large corporations and supplying

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them with different chemicals and

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01:33:08,089 --> 01:33:02,909
chemistry and materials and so forth but

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if he was fraudulent in what he had said

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about area 51 or misrepresented himself

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with the government or his employment or

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01:33:18,979 --> 01:33:16,800
anything else he wouldn't get any

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01:33:20,869 --> 01:33:18,989
government contracts I'm a fan I think

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01:33:23,389 --> 01:33:20,879
they would take the opposite approach to

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01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:23,399
him but he's dealing with some pretty

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01:33:28,879 --> 01:33:26,010
sensitive materials now and doesn't that

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01:33:30,290 --> 01:33:28,889
say something about his character yeah I

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mean I I think it's really fascinating

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01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:33,599
when people attack the Lazar case they

1991
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:36,209
say things like it's pseudoscience and

1992
01:33:40,479 --> 01:33:38,249
then they go into you know he's a con

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01:33:43,699 --> 01:33:40,489
man they make these big kind of bold

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01:33:46,129 --> 01:33:43,709
statements so I like to really look at

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01:33:47,839 --> 01:33:46,139
it a little bit differently which is you

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know first of all I'm very much going

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01:33:51,739 --> 01:33:50,010
into right now is this pseudoscience I

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01:33:53,149 --> 01:33:51,749
mean I'm speaking with the head of

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01:33:55,250 --> 01:33:53,159
physics at three different universities

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01:33:57,319 --> 01:33:55,260
right now to talk specifically about the

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01:33:59,959 --> 01:33:57,329
possibility of stabilized element 115

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01:34:01,100 --> 01:33:59,969
with the right number of isotopes as you

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01:34:05,449 --> 01:34:01,110
know this is something I'm going to

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01:34:07,009 --> 01:34:05,459
speak about in my film bob is an

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01:34:08,899 --> 01:34:07,019
incredible scientist he has actually

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01:34:11,119 --> 01:34:08,909
helped me and my understanding of

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01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:11,129
science more than than anybody in my

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01:34:14,719 --> 01:34:11,570
life

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he does have government contracts I was

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01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:18,449
in fact able to hear a lot of his day

2011
01:34:24,890 --> 01:34:21,209
life dealing with clients when I was at

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01:34:27,709 --> 01:34:24,900
one time filming at his at his business

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01:34:29,299 --> 01:34:27,719
so yeah I think it's pretty ridiculous

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01:34:31,399 --> 01:34:29,309
that people throw out these bold

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01:34:33,169 --> 01:34:31,409
statements and then just simply don't

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01:34:36,199 --> 01:34:33,179
back them up they've got more conspiracy

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01:34:37,729 --> 01:34:36,209
theories about Bob than anybody Bob is

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01:34:40,339 --> 01:34:37,739
an interesting character you know jet

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01:34:42,859 --> 01:34:40,349
cars explosives and flying saucers it

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01:34:45,739 --> 01:34:42,869
doesn't get much cooler than that

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01:34:48,259 --> 01:34:45,749
he's definitely lived a wild life and he

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01:34:50,979 --> 01:34:48,269
remains the singular most famous and

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01:34:53,870 --> 01:34:50,989
controversial name in the world of UFOs

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01:34:55,609 --> 01:34:53,880
he's the reason you know about area 51

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01:34:58,549 --> 01:34:55,619
that's because Bob came forward through

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01:35:02,060 --> 01:34:58,559
George Knapp in 1989 that is what put

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01:35:04,430 --> 01:35:02,070
era 51 on the map it was never had this

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01:35:06,129 --> 01:35:04,440
type of popularity before and for 30

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01:35:08,620 --> 01:35:06,139
years he's been telling you unwavering

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his incredible story

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his wife believes him his mom believes

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01:35:14,359 --> 01:35:12,479
them and the closer you get to his inner

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01:35:17,629 --> 01:35:14,369
circle the more you will probably

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01:35:20,870 --> 01:35:17,639
believe him so yeah he's a amazing dude

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01:35:22,819 --> 01:35:20,880
he has really cool I mean some of his

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01:35:25,850 --> 01:35:22,829
contracts are just really interesting

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01:35:28,100 --> 01:35:25,860
like painting ants with Radio isotopes

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so they can be you know detected without

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01:35:31,759 --> 01:35:30,179
killing them ball bearings and

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01:35:33,979 --> 01:35:31,769
hovercraft making sure to create a

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01:35:36,469 --> 01:35:33,989
magnetic system so it dispels sand

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01:35:37,790 --> 01:35:36,479
instead of having to like re you know

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01:35:39,709 --> 01:35:37,800
purpose them all the time because

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01:35:40,879 --> 01:35:39,719
they're getting all chewed up you could

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01:35:43,100 --> 01:35:40,889
when they're coming on shore the sand

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01:35:44,779 --> 01:35:43,110
he's got some pretty cool project he

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01:35:47,060 --> 01:35:44,789
gets to work on as well as just running

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01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:47,070
his little United nuclear shop out of

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01:35:53,509 --> 01:35:50,729
Michigan so in my experience Bob is a

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01:35:55,100 --> 01:35:53,519
scientist and in fact I personally have

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confirmed a lot of that and you will be

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seeing footage in the film that I'll be

2053
01:36:03,109 --> 01:35:59,820
putting out that people have speculated

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01:36:06,979 --> 01:36:03,119
about I've got proof positive on some of

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01:36:09,290 --> 01:36:06,989
it so now when you started to compile I

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01:36:11,899 --> 01:36:09,300
mean you know when you're getting ready

2057
01:36:14,419 --> 01:36:11,909
to sit down with Bob Lazar the questions

2058
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:14,429
and and the list gets really long fun

2059
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:18,090
and interesting for you what was the

2060
01:36:23,029 --> 01:36:20,880
what was the the first question the most

2061
01:36:24,330 --> 01:36:23,039
important one that you wanted to ask of

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01:36:26,979 --> 01:36:24,340
them

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you know Bob hates it when I ask him

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01:36:30,729 --> 01:36:28,790
like you know what's the biggest or

2065
01:36:33,850 --> 01:36:30,739
what's the most important and he's so

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01:36:36,399 --> 01:36:33,860
logical he tries not and so I find the

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01:36:39,330 --> 01:36:36,409
question so difficult to answer you know

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01:36:41,500 --> 01:36:39,340
the most important question IIIi think

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first and foremost I wanted to

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01:36:47,260 --> 01:36:44,690
understand the science the science of

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01:36:50,140 --> 01:36:47,270
what he says he was exposed to the

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01:36:52,770 --> 01:36:50,150
science that is being held back from the

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general scientific community and public

2074
01:36:58,450 --> 01:36:55,070
specifically about the nature of gravity

2075
01:37:02,080 --> 01:36:58,460
being a wave and that there are commonly

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01:37:05,410 --> 01:37:02,090
known in in these specific groups that

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01:37:07,780 --> 01:37:05,420
there are two types of gravity that are

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01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:07,790
utilized there's gravity a and gravity

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01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:10,400
be very simply how it was put gravity a

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01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,530
being similar to the strong nuclear

2081
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:14,480
force you know that holds an atom

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together and that's why element 115

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01:37:24,819 --> 01:37:21,949
allegedly had this very unique property

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01:37:26,589 --> 01:37:24,829
of extending that gravity a wave like

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01:37:28,780 --> 01:37:26,599
the strong nuclear force outside of the

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01:37:30,819 --> 01:37:28,790
mass of the atom itself which can then

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01:37:33,069 --> 01:37:30,829
be you know sampled that amplified I

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01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:33,079
wanted to know about the science I

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01:37:39,399 --> 01:37:36,560
wanted to know how it worked and what's

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01:37:41,530 --> 01:37:39,409
being held back from the the common

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01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:41,540
scientific understanding so that's

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01:37:47,140 --> 01:37:45,199
really where I started to begin is the

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01:37:48,819 --> 01:37:47,150
implications of what he was saying you

2094
01:37:52,899 --> 01:37:48,829
know did he walk in a saucer did he work

2095
01:37:54,819 --> 01:37:52,909
at s4 did he go to MIT did he go did he

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01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:54,829
work at Los Alamos all of that is

2097
01:37:59,050 --> 01:37:56,570
interesting but let's just get down to

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01:38:03,910 --> 01:37:59,060
the brass tacks of it is any of this

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01:38:06,370 --> 01:38:03,920
outside of a possibility or is it with

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01:38:07,209 --> 01:38:06,380
inside possibility the science itself

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01:38:09,899 --> 01:38:07,219
mm-hmm

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so that's what I went after first and

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01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:13,790
the answer was what if you could

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01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:16,880
summarize the answer is that I'm still

2105
01:38:24,180 --> 01:38:20,449
working with physicists and people right

2106
01:38:28,569 --> 01:38:24,190
now to try to translate and understand

2107
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:28,579
how indeed this could work I have found

2108
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:31,130
along the way that there are people who

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01:38:35,799 --> 01:38:34,159
won't even answer my my inquiry you know

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01:38:37,630 --> 01:38:35,809
I go into these physics forums and try

2111
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:37,640
to get people to talk me

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01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:39,770
this and I had this Russian physicist

2113
01:38:44,260 --> 01:38:41,810
and he says look if this has anything to

2114
01:38:46,420 --> 01:38:44,270
do with with UFOs or anything like that

2115
01:38:48,370 --> 01:38:46,430
I will not talk to you I will not talk

2116
01:38:51,370 --> 01:38:48,380
about it and you know I found that

2117
01:38:53,740 --> 01:38:51,380
really sad because the potentiality look

2118
01:38:55,150 --> 01:38:53,750
we know UFOs exist we know one thing

2119
01:38:57,100 --> 01:38:55,160
about them scientifically which is that

2120
01:38:59,500 --> 01:38:57,110
they represent a huge amount of energy

2121
01:39:01,210 --> 01:38:59,510
in a small amount of space that we know

2122
01:39:04,690 --> 01:39:01,220
thanks to dr. Jacques Vallee and all of

2123
01:39:07,060 --> 01:39:04,700
his work that is proven now if we can

2124
01:39:08,740 --> 01:39:07,070
harness any of that potential energy if

2125
01:39:11,050 --> 01:39:08,750
we could harness any of that technology

2126
01:39:13,780 --> 01:39:11,060
isn't that interesting to a physicist or

2127
01:39:17,220 --> 01:39:13,790
a scientist but you do get those people

2128
01:39:20,590 --> 01:39:17,230
who are allergic to the concept of UFOs

2129
01:39:22,990 --> 01:39:20,600
but there are people who aren't talk to

2130
01:39:25,330 --> 01:39:23,000
me right right and that that therein

2131
01:39:27,670 --> 01:39:25,340
lies the problem it goes with anything

2132
01:39:31,140 --> 01:39:27,680
when you get into professional academia

2133
01:39:34,450 --> 01:39:31,150
you know you bring up UFOs or Atlantis

2134
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:34,460
the doors shut I wanted to ask you about

2135
01:39:42,580 --> 01:39:38,810
element 115 now the element 115 that he

2136
01:39:45,810 --> 01:39:42,590
has always referenced you know going

2137
01:39:48,730 --> 01:39:45,820
back to the early 90s that element 115

2138
01:39:51,220 --> 01:39:48,740
well the element 115 that is on the

2139
01:39:52,450 --> 01:39:51,230
periodic charts now that you know those

2140
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:52,460
numbers go in order

2141
01:39:57,130 --> 01:39:56,210
it would have been posted anyway on the

2142
01:39:59,560 --> 01:39:57,140
periodic chart

2143
01:40:02,800 --> 01:39:59,570
eventually there's an element 175

2144
01:40:06,150 --> 01:40:02,810
that'll eventually be there or 176 is

2145
01:40:09,160 --> 01:40:06,160
though element 115 that should be called

2146
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:09,170
Lazar ium by the way we are petitioning

2147
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:14,080
for that is that the same element 115

2148
01:40:21,490 --> 01:40:19,010
that he was referencing back in 1990

2149
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:21,500
yeah I mean the same in that it is you

2150
01:40:26,350 --> 01:40:24,170
know element 115 is element 115 except

2151
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:26,360
there's a variety of different isotope

2152
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,250
combinations I stopped a combinations

2153
01:40:34,180 --> 01:40:31,280
that can be utilized to you know harness

2154
01:40:37,300 --> 01:40:34,190
that 115 into a form you know right now

2155
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:37,310
there are two types of element 115 that

2156
01:40:44,530 --> 01:40:40,970
were fabricated in laboratories and both

2157
01:40:46,330 --> 01:40:44,540
of those types of 115 had the isotopic

2158
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:46,340
combinations that only allowed it to

2159
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:48,170
have a very short half-life you know

2160
01:40:51,250 --> 01:40:50,090
milliseconds less than a second right

2161
01:40:54,010 --> 01:40:51,260
milliseconds

2162
01:40:55,690 --> 01:40:54,020
so the the Baba's always said if he was

2163
01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:55,700
kind of unimpressed he said yeah that's

2164
01:41:00,270 --> 01:40:58,010
very cool that they fabricated some but

2165
01:41:03,220 --> 01:41:00,280
they're just banging the single you know

2166
01:41:05,110 --> 01:41:03,230
atoms around essentially you're gonna

2167
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:05,120
get these unstable forms because but

2168
01:41:10,450 --> 01:41:07,040
that you know I know

2169
01:41:12,100 --> 01:41:10,460
there is a combination of isotopes that

2170
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:12,110
will stabilize it it's always been

2171
01:41:15,700 --> 01:41:14,210
theorized that there's this island of

2172
01:41:17,229 --> 01:41:15,710
stability and that there is a you know

2173
01:41:19,630 --> 01:41:17,239
from one of the top physicists in

2174
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:19,640
America that I recently spoke with I'm

2175
01:41:25,060 --> 01:41:21,650
gonna decline to say who it is today but

2176
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:25,070
you know he said no we absolutely cannot

2177
01:41:30,370 --> 01:41:27,920
rule out a stabilized version of that

2178
01:41:32,410 --> 01:41:30,380
element 115 so in the short of it to

2179
01:41:35,530 --> 01:41:32,420
answer your question yes that is element

2180
01:41:38,590 --> 01:41:35,540
115 but the longer version is simply

2181
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:38,600
that the isotopic structure so how you

2182
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:41,930
know the number of isotopes really from

2183
01:41:46,750 --> 01:41:44,330
how I understand it will allow it to be

2184
01:41:49,690 --> 01:41:46,760
stable or unstable for larger or smaller

2185
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:49,700
amounts of time how long did he actually

2186
01:41:55,570 --> 01:41:53,930
spend at area 51 well you know very

2187
01:41:57,130 --> 01:41:55,580
little cuz he just get on the bus there

2188
01:42:00,610 --> 01:41:57,140
and then you know from there he'd go to

2189
01:42:03,250 --> 01:42:00,620
s 4 s 4 I mean just groom lake in

2190
01:42:05,140 --> 01:42:03,260
general right right so but I mean that's

2191
01:42:07,450 --> 01:42:05,150
what why set it that way so that's one

2192
01:42:09,310 --> 01:42:07,460
of these big arguments ok well Bob if

2193
01:42:11,620 --> 01:42:09,320
you worked at area 51 you know what is

2194
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:11,630
you know this what is the cafeteria

2195
01:42:15,250 --> 01:42:13,520
system like or something like that Bob

2196
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:15,260
has never claimed to work at area 51

2197
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:17,600
proper in fact he said that's not where

2198
01:42:22,420 --> 01:42:19,370
this work was being done it was being

2199
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:22,430
done 15 or 17 miles south of groom lake

2200
01:42:29,170 --> 01:42:26,210
at Papoose Lake at a site called s4 so

2201
01:42:31,210 --> 01:42:29,180
the duration of his work because it was

2202
01:42:32,740 --> 01:42:31,220
at this time he was going through

2203
01:42:35,470 --> 01:42:32,750
security clearance although he already

2204
01:42:38,530 --> 01:42:35,480
had done security clearances for Los

2205
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:38,540
Alamos there was an individual it was

2206
01:42:43,870 --> 01:42:41,600
always named as the guy who who did Bob

2207
01:42:47,229 --> 01:42:43,880
security clearance and wouldn't it be

2208
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:47,239
interesting if after 30 years somebody

2209
01:42:53,860 --> 01:42:50,330
found that guy well yeah I mean so how

2210
01:42:57,580 --> 01:42:53,870
much I'd collective time altogether lump

2211
01:43:00,370 --> 01:42:57,590
together did he spend at s4 as an

2212
01:43:02,350 --> 01:43:00,380
employee yeah so that's so the duration

2213
01:43:03,580 --> 01:43:02,360
of time compared to the number of times

2214
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:03,590
he was out there is only out there

2215
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:04,250
handful

2216
01:43:08,770 --> 01:43:06,770
time's right but we know when he would

2217
01:43:10,510 --> 01:43:08,780
go out there he would you know be able

2218
01:43:13,060 --> 01:43:10,520
to get a little bit more indoctrinated

2219
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:13,070
into the program and you know one time

2220
01:43:16,570 --> 01:43:15,170
read briefings another time did medical

2221
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:16,580
and other time got to work on the

2222
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:19,130
gravity amplifier one time went into the

2223
01:43:24,220 --> 01:43:21,770
ship and so the the collective time it

2224
01:43:26,410 --> 01:43:24,230
wasn't a long duration of time it was a

2225
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:26,420
series of months it was just that it was

2226
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:29,330
so sporadic as he was going through the

2227
01:43:34,300 --> 01:43:32,570
clearance is that uh he was being slowly

2228
01:43:36,910 --> 01:43:34,310
and doctored it but he messed up I mean

2229
01:43:40,060 --> 01:43:36,920
he messed up bad you know the basic

2230
01:43:42,220 --> 01:43:40,070
story of yeah yeah we do we do we do and

2231
01:43:44,140 --> 01:43:42,230
yeah he did mess up that was his fault

2232
01:43:49,480 --> 01:43:44,150
he ran his mouth and that was the end of

2233
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:49,490
that but the are we looking at 80 hours

2234
01:43:56,350 --> 01:43:52,880
are we talking about hundreds of hours

2235
01:44:00,250 --> 01:43:56,360
at s for gosh yeah IIIi don't know the

2236
01:44:03,250 --> 01:44:00,260
exact number of hours Jimmy I mean I am

2237
01:44:05,860 --> 01:44:03,260
specifically aware of a handful of times

2238
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:05,870
that we've gone through in detail you

2239
01:44:09,730 --> 01:44:07,370
know trying to go back thirty years and

2240
01:44:13,780 --> 01:44:09,740
remember each time what he did on each

2241
01:44:15,970 --> 01:44:13,790
time so yeah yeah that's the best I can

2242
01:44:17,860 --> 01:44:15,980
answer it right now is a handful of

2243
01:44:20,440 --> 01:44:17,870
times yeah okay well I'll give you some

2244
01:44:23,380 --> 01:44:20,450
questions to ask him how's that yeah no

2245
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:23,390
actually I have been asking on social

2246
01:44:27,940 --> 01:44:25,370
media for people to give me very

2247
01:44:29,890 --> 01:44:27,950
specific questions that will lead to

2248
01:44:31,300 --> 01:44:29,900
good answers so that that can be

2249
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:31,310
incorporated into the film I am

2250
01:44:37,090 --> 01:44:33,440
absolutely in that part of the process

2251
01:44:41,620 --> 01:44:37,100
where these questions can be asked do

2252
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:41,630
you go to extraordinary beliefs calm

2253
01:44:46,690 --> 01:44:43,760
don't send me the emails everybody just

2254
01:44:49,810 --> 01:44:46,700
goes straight to Jeremy yeah no

2255
01:44:51,610 --> 01:44:49,820
absolutely I welcome it because I want

2256
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:51,620
to know what people want to know to make

2257
01:44:55,930 --> 01:44:53,930
sure I'm not missing something and I

2258
01:44:57,940 --> 01:44:55,940
know the big questions people have that

2259
01:45:00,520 --> 01:44:57,950
maybe are answerable maybe they're not

2260
01:45:02,950 --> 01:45:00,530
about things like his education you know

2261
01:45:05,380 --> 01:45:02,960
I'm doing my best to provide but but you

2262
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:05,390
know Bob is disinterested in improving

2263
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:07,760
his story to you anymore he says I've

2264
01:45:11,380 --> 01:45:08,930
done the best I can

2265
01:45:13,220 --> 01:45:11,390
what I want you to do is understand what

2266
01:45:18,230 --> 01:45:13,230
I'm saying

2267
01:45:21,860 --> 01:45:18,240
yeah and now for for Bob coming forward

2268
01:45:23,540 --> 01:45:21,870
now with you which we need and I just

2269
01:45:25,220 --> 01:45:23,550
cannot wait to see the film and i'm

2270
01:45:26,750 --> 01:45:25,230
fully jealous that you're able to pull

2271
01:45:32,300 --> 01:45:26,760
this off and it's not me but that's

2272
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:32,310
another story the the story is so

2273
01:45:38,540 --> 01:45:35,370
important what do you think is different

2274
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:38,550
now than what hasn't already been said

2275
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:41,130
in the past what are you able to not

2276
01:45:46,370 --> 01:45:43,170
only pull out of him but present to the

2277
01:45:49,060 --> 01:45:46,380
public yeah so that's really the meat of

2278
01:45:53,120 --> 01:45:49,070
it right not just repeating a story

2279
01:45:55,250 --> 01:45:53,130
however showing his recollection and

2280
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:55,260
what he's saying thirty years later and

2281
01:45:59,630 --> 01:45:56,880
you compare those with what george knapp

2282
01:46:02,240 --> 01:45:59,640
has done to see those pieces of footage

2283
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:02,250
together that is innately powerful to

2284
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:03,840
look at something through the lens of 30

2285
01:46:08,690 --> 01:46:06,000
years but there's a few things i want to

2286
01:46:11,300 --> 01:46:08,700
be giving the viewer specifically the

2287
01:46:13,700 --> 01:46:11,310
first and foremost my aim was to

2288
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:13,710
personalize bob was to people to get to

2289
01:46:17,900 --> 01:46:15,330
understand who he is and his personality

2290
01:46:21,410 --> 01:46:17,910
because that describes and explains a

2291
01:46:24,260 --> 01:46:21,420
lot it's really hard to dismiss somebody

2292
01:46:27,020 --> 01:46:24,270
if you humanize them all I want people

2293
01:46:28,220 --> 01:46:27,030
to do is end on the same question at the

2294
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:28,230
end of the movie whether you believe it

2295
01:46:32,030 --> 01:46:31,290
or not what if Bob Lazar is telling you

2296
01:46:34,670 --> 01:46:32,040
the truth

2297
01:46:36,980 --> 01:46:34,680
then what so it would be really cool to

2298
01:46:39,530 --> 01:46:36,990
get to that point one way to do that is

2299
01:46:43,070 --> 01:46:39,540
to show as everyday life is to humanize

2300
01:46:44,750 --> 01:46:43,080
him is to show how he lives his life one

2301
01:46:47,120 --> 01:46:44,760
of his friends said to me if you want to

2302
01:46:48,590 --> 01:46:47,130
know the truth about UFOs then you need

2303
01:46:52,010 --> 01:46:48,600
to know and understand the truth about

2304
01:46:54,170 --> 01:46:52,020
Bob Lazar as a person is Bob innately a

2305
01:46:57,320 --> 01:46:54,180
liar or see somebody that tells the

2306
01:47:00,170 --> 01:46:57,330
truth to a fault right and so that is

2307
01:47:02,300 --> 01:47:00,180
one aspect the second aspect is historic

2308
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:02,310
footage footage that nobody has ever

2309
01:47:08,300 --> 01:47:05,850
seen that starts to amplify or impress

2310
01:47:09,950 --> 01:47:08,310
upon you the the reality of some of the

2311
01:47:14,900 --> 01:47:09,960
things that he's been talking about so

2312
01:47:17,150 --> 01:47:14,910
imagine a huge box filled unedited just

2313
01:47:20,140 --> 01:47:17,160
take it filled with photographs from

2314
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:20,150
baby pictures to modern day and video

2315
01:47:24,590 --> 01:47:22,770
where the person doesn't even know what

2316
01:47:26,750 --> 01:47:24,600
what's necessarily on it and he's

2317
01:47:28,610 --> 01:47:26,760
entrusting these to you so

2318
01:47:30,740 --> 01:47:28,620
within that is also an archive an

2319
01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:30,750
archive of surprises that I didn't

2320
01:47:35,979 --> 01:47:33,450
expect this should shed light on the

2321
01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:35,989
story in ways that were not shed before

2322
01:47:43,130 --> 01:47:38,450
do you want me to get specific girl I do

2323
01:47:44,420 --> 01:47:43,140
the question is is there any every

2324
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:44,430
buddy's gonna say okay so what about

2325
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:48,090
documentation is there anything new a

2326
01:47:53,810 --> 01:47:51,210
sign you know outside of his his s for

2327
01:47:55,130 --> 01:47:53,820
IB card if you know what I mean is there

2328
01:47:57,790 --> 01:47:55,140
a right do you have anything like that

2329
01:48:02,229 --> 01:47:57,800
what was in that box so you know a

2330
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:02,239
federal judge once tried to get Bob's

2331
01:48:05,780 --> 01:48:04,170
employment records do you remember that

2332
01:48:08,180 --> 01:48:05,790
situation I do I do

2333
01:48:09,979 --> 01:48:08,190
yes yeah and if you if you listen to

2334
01:48:12,740 --> 01:48:09,989
that judge you can find that obscurely

2335
01:48:15,220 --> 01:48:12,750
online he says well it just says the

2336
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:15,230
weirdest case ever it seems to be

2337
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:18,690
impossible to get the records you know

2338
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:22,170
from the the military base of your

2339
01:48:26,510 --> 01:48:24,930
employment yet they were told you don't

2340
01:48:27,740 --> 01:48:26,520
have a need to know they didn't say Bob

2341
01:48:29,540 --> 01:48:27,750
Lazar never work that you don't have a

2342
01:48:31,220 --> 01:48:29,550
need to know they even had a congressman

2343
01:48:34,180 --> 01:48:31,230
it was Senator congressman that that

2344
01:48:37,310 --> 01:48:34,190
wrote to try to get those records so

2345
01:48:40,040 --> 01:48:37,320
that is a very tricky one when you're

2346
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:40,050
dealing with Bob Lazar is you have the

2347
01:48:45,290 --> 01:48:42,330
government on one hand there they're not

2348
01:48:48,380 --> 01:48:45,300
claiming that he didn't work there but

2349
01:48:50,660 --> 01:48:48,390
they're not giving you the goods so I'm

2350
01:48:53,900 --> 01:48:50,670
gonna leave it at that at this point

2351
01:48:55,820 --> 01:48:53,910
well but what was in the box Jeremy I

2352
01:48:58,100 --> 01:48:55,830
want to know what was it more so

2353
01:49:01,490 --> 01:48:58,110
everything from photographs going back

2354
01:49:05,420 --> 01:49:01,500
going back to baby photos right all the

2355
01:49:08,750 --> 01:49:05,430
way up through tapes that just have I

2356
01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:08,760
mean everything under the Sun even some

2357
01:49:14,210 --> 01:49:11,040
of his laboratory experiments for

2358
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:14,220
example wouldn't it be interesting after

2359
01:49:18,710 --> 01:49:16,530
all these years when people say oh you

2360
01:49:20,300 --> 01:49:18,720
know he never worked at the maison

2361
01:49:21,500 --> 01:49:20,310
facility you know because remember

2362
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:21,510
George Knapp tried to get to the bottom

2363
01:49:24,710 --> 01:49:23,130
at first they said he did then they said

2364
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:24,720
he did in and then even Kurt Meyer said

2365
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:25,920
that he never worked for them then they

2366
01:49:30,050 --> 01:49:27,810
found the phone book and they go Oh

2367
01:49:31,970 --> 01:49:30,060
golly gee I guess he did work here well

2368
01:49:34,070 --> 01:49:31,980
then I found dr. Crangle and dr. Crangle

2369
01:49:35,990 --> 01:49:34,080
was in security briefings at Los Alamos

2370
01:49:37,700 --> 01:49:36,000
with Bob Lazar I get phone calls from

2371
01:49:39,740 --> 01:49:37,710
people that I can never really report on

2372
01:49:41,300 --> 01:49:39,750
but the guy that digitized

2373
01:49:43,850 --> 01:49:41,310
his medical records because the HIPAA

2374
01:49:45,110 --> 01:49:43,860
laws I can't have them but I I've ever

2375
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:45,120
fight he worked there at that time I

2376
01:49:50,180 --> 01:49:47,760
verified everything about this guy and

2377
01:49:52,730 --> 01:49:50,190
in fact he did digitize Bob's medical

2378
01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:52,740
records so in that box you know is also

2379
01:49:59,150 --> 01:49:56,490
a bunch of footage and that footage I

2380
01:50:02,540 --> 01:49:59,160
think is very revealing about you know

2381
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:02,550
places that he worked okay so this will

2382
01:50:08,060 --> 01:50:05,370
be in the film I I surely hope so I have

2383
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:08,070
two hours you know basically to tell

2384
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:10,290
this story in I guess in the first part

2385
01:50:14,570 --> 01:50:12,810
I mean however I tell it but yeah I hope

2386
01:50:16,910 --> 01:50:14,580
to give you meat I hope to give you

2387
01:50:18,050 --> 01:50:16,920
things I know I'm gonna give you things

2388
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:18,060
you have never seen before

2389
01:50:24,410 --> 01:50:21,840
that definitely invigorate the the

2390
01:50:26,750 --> 01:50:24,420
debate now with the with the Lazar

2391
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:26,760
missing years that he's been in Michigan

2392
01:50:32,510 --> 01:50:28,800
you know not an away from the UFO

2393
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:32,520
community and living his life was the

2394
01:50:38,060 --> 01:50:34,890
government in contact with him does he

2395
01:50:42,230 --> 01:50:38,070
have any men and black stories in those

2396
01:50:42,970 --> 01:50:42,240
missing years what was going on at that

2397
01:50:45,590 --> 01:50:42,980
time

2398
01:50:48,230 --> 01:50:45,600
hmm well I'm gonna be a little careful

2399
01:50:49,550 --> 01:50:48,240
about this because I'm reflecting on

2400
01:50:50,870 --> 01:50:49,560
something here which is it you asked me

2401
01:50:53,480 --> 01:50:50,880
what was the first thing I asked him and

2402
01:50:55,940 --> 01:50:53,490
actually I I do remember it was not it

2403
01:50:59,300 --> 01:50:55,950
was about the science but the first time

2404
01:51:02,180 --> 01:50:59,310
I ever had Bob Bob went on camera with

2405
01:51:04,580 --> 01:51:02,190
me I started grilling him on the 115 and

2406
01:51:07,460 --> 01:51:04,590
I might put this footage might go out at

2407
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:07,470
some point and he says look this is the

2408
01:51:17,210 --> 01:51:11,520
most sensitive part of the story period

2409
01:51:18,910 --> 01:51:17,220
right and I think that I'm sorry I lost

2410
01:51:22,250 --> 01:51:18,920
your question I just got so wrapped up

2411
01:51:25,460 --> 01:51:22,260
has he had government contact in the

2412
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:25,470
racing years so so I'll put it to you

2413
01:51:28,250 --> 01:51:25,770
this way

2414
01:51:33,010 --> 01:51:28,260
what is publicly known well he was

2415
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:33,020
living in New Mexico he was raided

2416
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:37,970
thoroughly by a number of agencies

2417
01:51:42,530 --> 01:51:40,170
conveniently at that time and I know

2418
01:51:44,330 --> 01:51:42,540
you've recently had a call from him who

2419
01:51:46,340 --> 01:51:44,340
was on patrol but Rick Doty I thought

2420
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:46,350
that was really interesting was actually

2421
01:51:49,820 --> 01:51:47,970
at the house when when the raid was

2422
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:49,830
going on although from Rick's

2423
01:51:53,250 --> 01:51:51,810
perspective he's like look mad I had

2424
01:51:55,260 --> 01:51:53,260
people read too much into that

2425
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:55,270
I was you know patrol I was normal

2426
01:52:02,730 --> 01:51:57,520
patrol there were other agencies doing

2427
01:52:04,650 --> 01:52:02,740
that raid so a coincidence I think not I

2428
01:52:06,810 --> 01:52:04,660
I don't know I tend to think it was

2429
01:52:08,970 --> 01:52:06,820
because he was a patrol officer at the

2430
01:52:10,530 --> 01:52:08,980
time I mean it was something that

2431
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:10,540
wouldn't be outside of the scope for him

2432
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:12,210
to be there you know there's always

2433
01:52:17,460 --> 01:52:14,770
suspicion you know around OD because he

2434
01:52:18,750 --> 01:52:17,470
had a job before and his job was to you

2435
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:18,760
know his counterintelligence and it

2436
01:52:23,940 --> 01:52:20,770
involved the UFO world so he's always

2437
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:23,950
gonna be that bad guy to people my point

2438
01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:26,080
is more this really let's separate that

2439
01:52:29,700 --> 01:52:27,760
that has nothing to do with this to

2440
01:52:31,890 --> 01:52:29,710
answer your question so that happened

2441
01:52:33,540 --> 01:52:31,900
and that was traumatic that was

2442
01:52:34,980 --> 01:52:33,550
traumatic for his family and that sort

2443
01:52:36,780 --> 01:52:34,990
of thing

2444
01:52:39,870 --> 01:52:36,790
there is a part to the story I'm not

2445
01:52:41,790 --> 01:52:39,880
telling you I think that there might

2446
01:52:44,670 --> 01:52:41,800
have been mentioned about it publicly at

2447
01:52:46,740 --> 01:52:44,680
some point it has been very strange

2448
01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:46,750
this whole experience you know I

2449
01:52:52,440 --> 01:52:50,170
imagined through 30 years especially if

2450
01:52:54,480 --> 01:52:52,450
he wasn't telling the truth that there

2451
01:52:57,210 --> 01:52:54,490
would be no interest and there would be

2452
01:52:59,850 --> 01:52:57,220
no problems that indeed has not been the

2453
01:53:01,470 --> 01:52:59,860
case well you know and I was just going

2454
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:01,480
to mention this and this just posted up

2455
01:53:07,020 --> 01:53:05,770
in Twitter from Eddie Eddie says what I

2456
01:53:09,420 --> 01:53:07,030
don't understand is why the government

2457
01:53:12,060 --> 01:53:09,430
didn't heart attack or car crash Lazar

2458
01:53:16,020 --> 01:53:12,070
if he was you know in on all these major

2459
01:53:17,330 --> 01:53:16,030
secrets my answer to that is if anything

2460
01:53:19,680 --> 01:53:17,340
like that would have happened

2461
01:53:23,310 --> 01:53:19,690
that means everything he was saying was

2462
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:23,320
true so there's just no way they could

2463
01:53:29,850 --> 01:53:26,410
do that to him well you know you want to

2464
01:53:32,490 --> 01:53:29,860
make him a martyr do that and then he's

2465
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:32,500
got bigger questions to answer and it's

2466
01:53:36,750 --> 01:53:34,810
not about the death of bob lazar yeah

2467
01:53:39,510 --> 01:53:36,760
it's it's a curious thing and you know

2468
01:53:41,190 --> 01:53:39,520
it's really uncomfortable to just put it

2469
01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:41,200
like that about you know somebody when

2470
01:53:44,670 --> 01:53:42,400
you know them like we're talking about a

2471
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:44,680
human being here with families an animal

2472
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:46,930
and you know mom and you know wife and

2473
01:53:52,380 --> 01:53:50,080
you know i the the harm put to somebody

2474
01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:52,390
like that would that's unimaginably

2475
01:53:59,010 --> 01:53:56,050
terrible he did have a very scary time

2476
01:54:01,860 --> 01:53:59,020
back in 1989 indeed that's why and how

2477
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:01,870
george knapp convinced him to go public

2478
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:04,930
was to protect himself definitively and

2479
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:06,730
at that time

2480
01:54:12,450 --> 01:54:08,650
was terrified the people in his life

2481
01:54:15,450 --> 01:54:12,460
were terrified they all witnessed it two

2482
01:54:17,820 --> 01:54:15,460
of the people tasked with tailing George

2483
01:54:19,860 --> 01:54:17,830
Knapp and the others actually found him

2484
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:19,870
later and he actually got confirmation

2485
01:54:23,370 --> 01:54:21,850
from them hey you know you weren't you

2486
01:54:24,420 --> 01:54:23,380
weren't just paranoid we were tasked

2487
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:24,430
with following you we don't know exactly

2488
01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:27,760
what it was for this or that but that

2489
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:30,250
was real that happened and a number of

2490
01:54:35,250 --> 01:54:32,290
sources of George's that came forward

2491
01:54:38,010 --> 01:54:35,260
after the lazar story six of them in

2492
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:38,020
particular one by one were threatened

2493
01:54:45,750 --> 01:54:41,410
not to talk to George that is fact that

2494
01:54:47,850 --> 01:54:45,760
happened so Bob's story it did ring you

2495
01:54:51,780 --> 01:54:47,860
know that the the the the sound or the

2496
01:54:52,979 --> 01:54:51,790
impact of a story it was just emanating

2497
01:54:55,770 --> 01:54:52,989
through all of these high-security

2498
01:54:58,710 --> 01:54:55,780
places I interviewed one individual who

2499
01:55:03,540 --> 01:54:58,720
worked at area 52 Tonopah test range

2500
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:03,550
right and just for saying hey you should

2501
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:04,930
listen to this guy on the news tonight

2502
01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:07,930
he got pulled aside and questioned at

2503
01:55:12,180 --> 01:55:10,239
length about his association with Lazar

2504
01:55:14,670 --> 01:55:12,190
and did he know where Lazar was and this

2505
01:55:16,140 --> 01:55:14,680
was back in 1989 when Lazar was really

2506
01:55:18,720 --> 01:55:16,150
worried when he wrestled with George

2507
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:18,730
Knapp the moment George was gonna put

2508
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:20,800
that tape and air his face for the first

2509
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:23,920
time in the public Bob got cold feet

2510
01:55:28,860 --> 01:55:26,410
but but George won a little wrestling

2511
01:55:32,280 --> 01:55:28,870
match in there in this studio in the new

2512
01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:32,290
studio right before it went public those

2513
01:55:37,650 --> 01:55:35,890
famous videos of Lazar going out that

2514
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:37,660
the first couple of nights right taking

2515
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:40,000
everybody out to a show um the the test

2516
01:55:45,900 --> 01:55:44,410
flights I did over the years you know

2517
01:55:48,810 --> 01:55:45,910
during I keep it referring to the dark

2518
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:48,820
period you know while he was away until

2519
01:55:55,620 --> 01:55:52,810
now did he continue his interest in UFOs

2520
01:55:59,040 --> 01:55:55,630
did he go and sky watch did he look to

2521
01:56:02,250 --> 01:55:59,050
the skies you know what did or was he

2522
01:56:03,780 --> 01:56:02,260
just disconnected from UFOs no he was

2523
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:03,790
disconnected from UFOs look you remember

2524
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:06,370
Jim Goodall was a friend of Bob's you

2525
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:08,290
know aviation buff famous aviation buff

2526
01:56:13,110 --> 01:56:10,330
was a friend of you know Bob's before

2527
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:13,120
Bob was bob the UFO guy and he recalls

2528
01:56:18,300 --> 01:56:16,090
this story where he's like Bob came to

2529
01:56:20,550 --> 01:56:18,310
him and said it was kind of laughing he

2530
01:56:23,220 --> 01:56:20,560
goes man I feel really bad for

2531
01:56:25,110 --> 01:56:23,230
Laer and jim was like why do you feel

2532
01:56:27,750 --> 01:56:25,120
bad for leer and he goes cuz he's like

2533
01:56:31,020 --> 01:56:27,760
this son and his famous family the Lear

2534
01:56:33,090 --> 01:56:31,030
family and he believes in UFOs like Bob

2535
01:56:33,660 --> 01:56:33,100
thought it was the most absurd thing in

2536
01:56:35,910 --> 01:56:33,670
the world

2537
01:56:37,890 --> 01:56:35,920
in fact he thought it was so absurd that

2538
01:56:40,590 --> 01:56:37,900
as he's reading these briefings and as

2539
01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:40,600
he sees that this flying saucer for the

2540
01:56:44,220 --> 01:56:42,130
first time it actually had a little like

2541
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:44,230
American flag sticker on it or something

2542
01:56:49,410 --> 01:56:47,530
like that he goes oh see that's people

2543
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:49,420
you know thought it was UFOs what idiots

2544
01:56:54,030 --> 01:56:52,810
you know it was just us yeah yeah that

2545
01:56:56,520 --> 01:56:54,040
was his impression so that's but that's

2546
01:56:59,340 --> 01:56:56,530
the way Bob thinks so no he's not ever

2547
01:57:03,960 --> 01:56:59,350
then I guess once you've worked on one

2548
01:57:06,030 --> 01:57:03,970
you know it's like it's pretty funny

2549
01:57:07,950 --> 01:57:06,040
let's take a break right here I guess

2550
01:57:09,690 --> 01:57:07,960
tonight Jeremy Korbel when we come back

2551
01:57:12,990 --> 01:57:09,700
we're gonna change gears and get

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straight over to skinwalker ranch yes

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01:57:16,740 --> 01:57:14,560
tonight Jeremy Korbel I'm you'll see be

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Church follow me on twitter @ JT radio

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simple could follow Jeremy at Jeremy

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Korbel we'll be right back stay with us

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Franky four fingers I can't do anything

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2658
02:02:31,359 --> 02:02:28,219
believable it's killing me every time I

2659
02:02:33,580 --> 02:02:31,369
do anything it gets posed I'm watching

2660
02:02:35,859 --> 02:02:33,590
these pictures I just said it well I

2661
02:02:38,530 --> 02:02:35,869
won't say when I would I tweeted but

2662
02:02:40,720 --> 02:02:38,540
let's let's shift over to skinwalker

2663
02:02:43,750 --> 02:02:40,730
such an interesting place about four

2664
02:02:45,729 --> 02:02:43,760
years ago maybe a little longer

2665
02:02:48,970 --> 02:02:45,739
Steve Murillo you know Steve Steve

2666
02:02:52,390 --> 02:02:48,980
Murillo and Alex Mastretta go up to

2667
02:02:54,640 --> 02:02:52,400
skinwalker to camp out at the fence at

2668
02:02:57,100 --> 02:02:54,650
the gate and you know run some cameras

2669
02:02:59,200 --> 02:02:57,110
and binoculars and whatnot and they

2670
02:03:01,270 --> 02:02:59,210
called in and we did some live reporting

2671
02:03:03,370 --> 02:03:01,280
from skinwalker on the air is really fun

2672
02:03:08,709 --> 02:03:03,380
but that wasn't what was most telling

2673
02:03:10,780 --> 02:03:08,719
for me they went down to the convenience

2674
02:03:13,149 --> 02:03:10,790
store that's a couple of miles down the

2675
02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:13,159
road you probably know the one that's

2676
02:03:16,990 --> 02:03:14,810
there it's the closest one to skinwalker

2677
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:17,000
where they got all of their provisions

2678
02:03:23,050 --> 02:03:19,850
and they get the kid that is working

2679
02:03:25,990 --> 02:03:23,060
there to come on the show literally and

2680
02:03:28,930 --> 02:03:26,000
on the phone and this is what he said he

2681
02:03:32,530 --> 02:03:28,940
said man everybody up here has got a

2682
02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:32,540
skinwalker story my parents anybody that

2683
02:03:36,459 --> 02:03:34,730
you talked to around here we've all got

2684
02:03:40,180 --> 02:03:36,469
a skinwalker story and I said well

2685
02:03:42,280 --> 02:03:40,190
what's he said look the dogs the dogs

2686
02:03:43,959 --> 02:03:42,290
that that float around the black dogs

2687
02:03:47,290 --> 02:03:43,969
with the red eyes and they don't have

2688
02:03:49,479 --> 02:03:47,300
legs and and there was like what he said

2689
02:03:51,879 --> 02:03:49,489
yeah man and we've all got stories like

2690
02:03:53,620 --> 02:03:51,889
that about skinwalker is just a crazy

2691
02:03:54,819 --> 02:03:53,630
place there's stuff in the sky there's

2692
02:03:58,479 --> 02:03:54,829
stuff on the ground

2693
02:04:01,359 --> 02:03:58,489
and it's everywhere what is going on up

2694
02:04:02,919 --> 02:04:01,369
at skinwalker Jeremy yeah that's the

2695
02:04:06,699 --> 02:04:02,929
that's the million dollar question and

2696
02:04:08,919 --> 02:04:06,709
in fact indeed it is true that it's it's

2697
02:04:10,899 --> 02:04:08,929
hard to find somebody in the Uintah

2698
02:04:14,290 --> 02:04:10,909
Basin anywhere surrounding the ranch

2699
02:04:17,079 --> 02:04:14,300
that doesn't have extreme collisions

2700
02:04:20,500 --> 02:04:17,089
with the totally bizarre and perplexing

2701
02:04:24,040 --> 02:04:20,510
and sometimes wholly terrifying displays

2702
02:04:25,989 --> 02:04:24,050
of the phenomenon let's just back up one

2703
02:04:28,119 --> 02:04:25,999
second because this is very important to

2704
02:04:30,459 --> 02:04:28,129
make clear tonight I am gonna be putting

2705
02:04:33,639 --> 02:04:30,469
out a film on skinwalker ranch this is a

2706
02:04:37,029 --> 02:04:33,649
very informed film in fact you're gonna

2707
02:04:40,810 --> 02:04:37,039
learn about how these releases how they

2708
02:04:43,359 --> 02:04:40,820
indeed are related highly to skinwalker

2709
02:04:43,779 --> 02:04:43,369
ranch the twenty two million that Harry

2710
02:04:47,139 --> 02:04:43,789
Reid

2711
02:04:49,270 --> 02:04:47,149
you know spearheaded what role does

2712
02:04:51,339 --> 02:04:49,280
skinwalker ranch play in all of that a

2713
02:04:52,810 --> 02:04:51,349
much bigger role there actually might be

2714
02:04:55,689 --> 02:04:52,820
more of a sleight of hand

2715
02:04:59,529 --> 02:04:55,699
going on than we've even talked about

2716
02:05:02,349 --> 02:04:59,539
pal so that did that funding that twenty

2717
02:05:05,319 --> 02:05:02,359
two million could wholly have been for

2718
02:05:08,259 --> 02:05:05,329
skinwalker ranch wholly so it'll be

2719
02:05:10,299 --> 02:05:08,269
interesting to see in these in this film

2720
02:05:12,790 --> 02:05:10,309
that is well informed that I'll be

2721
02:05:14,259 --> 02:05:12,800
putting out that relies on new footage

2722
02:05:16,799 --> 02:05:14,269
and interviews that I've been doing

2723
02:05:20,669 --> 02:05:16,809
again pretty silently for a couple years

2724
02:05:23,969 --> 02:05:20,679
but also going back to actual on-site

2725
02:05:27,129 --> 02:05:23,979
investigation from the time when mids

2726
02:05:29,169 --> 02:05:27,139
was involved through Robert big law at

2727
02:05:32,319 --> 02:05:29,179
the ranch now we do know that it was

2728
02:05:34,629 --> 02:05:32,329
taken and turned into a DI a program

2729
02:05:38,379 --> 02:05:34,639
called bass I think people know that

2730
02:05:44,139 --> 02:05:38,389
that's there was an organization Bigelow

2731
02:05:46,239 --> 02:05:44,149
Aerospace advanced man now I'm watching

2732
02:05:48,879 --> 02:05:46,249
it but yeah it was it was a program that

2733
02:05:50,619 --> 02:05:48,889
was a dia run program Bigelow Aerospace

2734
02:05:53,799 --> 02:05:50,629
advanced Space Studies that's what it

2735
02:05:55,629 --> 02:05:53,809
was right so let's just back up one

2736
02:05:58,479 --> 02:05:55,639
second for those people that don't know

2737
02:06:00,459 --> 02:05:58,489
let's make it really clear in 1998 real

2738
02:06:02,469 --> 02:06:00,469
estate mogul self-made billionaire

2739
02:06:05,169 --> 02:06:02,479
Robert Bigelow Bigelow Aerospace he

2740
02:06:08,390 --> 02:06:05,179
purchased this 480 acres of land and

2741
02:06:11,270 --> 02:06:08,400
northeastern Utah he used it as a living

2742
02:06:13,580 --> 02:06:11,280
laboratory to study UFOs the phenomenon

2743
02:06:16,070 --> 02:06:13,590
he had personal interest historically

2744
02:06:18,890 --> 02:06:16,080
that location has been an area inundated

2745
02:06:21,709 --> 02:06:18,900
with you know these bizarre events going

2746
02:06:24,380 --> 02:06:21,719
back generations it's within the culture

2747
02:06:27,860 --> 02:06:24,390
there you know all through generations

2748
02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:27,870
he employed big low a crack team of PhD

2749
02:06:31,610 --> 02:06:29,520
and you know level scientists such as

2750
02:06:32,630 --> 02:06:31,620
Colin Kelleher co-author of the book but

2751
02:06:34,910 --> 02:06:32,640
with George Knapp hunt for the

2752
02:06:37,700 --> 02:06:34,920
skinwalker and they did long-term

2753
02:06:39,110 --> 02:06:37,710
investigation you know if the family

2754
02:06:41,660 --> 02:06:39,120
there was being terrorized the ranch

2755
02:06:43,669 --> 02:06:41,670
couldn't get answers through traditional

2756
02:06:45,919 --> 02:06:43,679
means maybe science could answer for

2757
02:06:47,630 --> 02:06:45,929
them that was the idea that program

2758
02:06:50,990 --> 02:06:47,640
eventually led to the government

2759
02:06:53,570 --> 02:06:51,000
interest in wanting to know if what was

2760
02:06:56,270 --> 02:06:53,580
being displayed in that rural area of

2761
02:06:58,130 --> 02:06:56,280
Utah was indeed otherworldly and that's

2762
02:07:00,830 --> 02:06:58,140
where it became you know is this a

2763
02:07:03,020 --> 02:07:00,840
national security threat that story can

2764
02:07:05,899 --> 02:07:03,030
now be told because of the recent

2765
02:07:07,729 --> 02:07:05,909
releases by the Department of Defense

2766
02:07:09,500 --> 02:07:07,739
and the New York Times the admissions

2767
02:07:11,990 --> 02:07:09,510
that in fact there's an ongoing UFO

2768
02:07:13,580 --> 02:07:12,000
investigation by our government has deep

2769
02:07:15,110 --> 02:07:13,590
rooted connections to skinwalker ranch

2770
02:07:18,919 --> 02:07:15,120
and I'm going to be telling that story

2771
02:07:22,850 --> 02:07:18,929
now soon that movies coming out so

2772
02:07:25,340 --> 02:07:22,860
you're suggesting I'm saying you're

2773
02:07:29,660 --> 02:07:25,350
saying that there is an alien

2774
02:07:32,060 --> 02:07:29,670
offworld ET UFO connection to skinwalker

2775
02:07:37,580 --> 02:07:32,070
ranch that the government is aware of

2776
02:07:38,330 --> 02:07:37,590
and and and invested into okay that's

2777
02:07:41,470 --> 02:07:38,340
not what I'm saying

2778
02:07:44,810 --> 02:07:41,480
okay because that's what it sounded like

2779
02:07:49,189 --> 02:07:44,820
yeah what I am saying is that there is a

2780
02:07:52,669 --> 02:07:49,199
historic pattern of these displays being

2781
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:52,679
presented concentrated in that area the

2782
02:07:58,970 --> 02:07:56,400
ranch was isolated as a 480 acres spot

2783
02:08:01,100 --> 02:07:58,980
to study the phenomenon which is

2784
02:08:04,130 --> 02:08:01,110
occurring in the entire un-to basin and

2785
02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:04,140
yes I am specifically saying that the

2786
02:08:08,750 --> 02:08:06,330
Defense Intelligence Agency partnered

2787
02:08:12,439 --> 02:08:08,760
with Robert Bigelow and they called it

2788
02:08:15,220 --> 02:08:12,449
bass and that was to study the threat

2789
02:08:18,370 --> 02:08:15,230
the potential threat

2790
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:18,380
of the phenomenon that is factually what

2791
02:08:23,500 --> 02:08:20,810
I am saying now what did what did bass

2792
02:08:28,030 --> 02:08:23,510
find out you know if we go back to the

2793
02:08:29,680 --> 02:08:28,040
Bigelow 60 Minutes interview which was

2794
02:08:32,110 --> 02:08:29,690
pretty telling there was a lot of stuff

2795
02:08:36,850 --> 02:08:34,870
is what the statements made by Bigelow

2796
02:08:39,790 --> 02:08:36,860
in the 60 Minutes interview specifically

2797
02:08:43,240 --> 02:08:39,800
I know aliens are here but is that based

2798
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:43,250
on skinwalker and bass or something else

2799
02:08:46,870 --> 02:08:45,050
well I would say that's part of his

2800
02:08:48,580 --> 02:08:46,880
cumulative knowledge remember he runs in

2801
02:08:50,890 --> 02:08:48,590
high circles he has a lot of military

2802
02:08:52,900 --> 02:08:50,900
friends he is you know the go-to guy for

2803
02:08:55,690 --> 02:08:52,910
our government when it comes to studying

2804
02:08:56,980 --> 02:08:55,700
the phenomenon all UFO reports you know

2805
02:08:59,650 --> 02:08:56,990
thanks to people like John Alexander

2806
02:09:01,690 --> 02:08:59,660
were funneled towards Bigelow's placer

2807
02:09:03,490 --> 02:09:01,700
he is a very informed individual put

2808
02:09:06,220 --> 02:09:03,500
more money into this as any individual

2809
02:09:08,620 --> 02:09:06,230
on the planet to study the phenomenon so

2810
02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:08,630
yeah I would say that his statements

2811
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:11,210
were based upon among other things but

2812
02:09:15,910 --> 02:09:13,280
yeah of course the but the bass you know

2813
02:09:18,610 --> 02:09:15,920
reports that he was you know in control

2814
02:09:20,680 --> 02:09:18,620
of as well as the mids reports prior to

2815
02:09:23,140 --> 02:09:20,690
bass I mean bass itself I think had 45

2816
02:09:26,550 --> 02:09:23,150
or 50 people and and a rapid response

2817
02:09:29,050 --> 02:09:26,560
team I know that the first ten months

2818
02:09:31,210 --> 02:09:29,060
were were put together and a four

2819
02:09:33,940 --> 02:09:31,220
hundred ninety page briefing if I got

2820
02:09:36,580 --> 02:09:33,950
that right there about 25 reports so

2821
02:09:39,340 --> 02:09:36,590
yeah I'd say he's a very informed

2822
02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:39,350
individual when it comes to the

2823
02:09:45,010 --> 02:09:41,450
phenomenon and the government's interest

2824
02:09:47,580 --> 02:09:45,020
which is concrete and ongoing now there

2825
02:09:51,090 --> 02:09:47,590
were reports that there was military

2826
02:09:53,200 --> 02:09:51,100
security during this time at skinwalker

2827
02:09:54,910 --> 02:09:53,210
well there's a lot of security at all

2828
02:09:56,650 --> 02:09:54,920
times because you have knucklehead

2829
02:09:58,000 --> 02:09:56,660
idiots going out there thinking if they

2830
02:10:00,670 --> 02:09:58,010
just taught the fence they're gonna see

2831
02:10:03,340 --> 02:10:00,680
a shape-shifter I mean it's a problem it

2832
02:10:06,100 --> 02:10:03,350
is private land and it is on a sovereign

2833
02:10:07,570 --> 02:10:06,110
nation so that the whole area I mean you

2834
02:10:10,870 --> 02:10:07,580
at the basin is you know you can't just

2835
02:10:12,760 --> 02:10:10,880
go and camp there I was allowed to camp

2836
02:10:16,360 --> 02:10:12,770
there bottle hollow right by skinwalker

2837
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:16,370
ranch you because the the tribal nation

2838
02:10:21,490 --> 02:10:19,010
the tribal elders who govern that area

2839
02:10:23,140 --> 02:10:21,500
George has established an incredible

2840
02:10:25,660 --> 02:10:23,150
relationship and they have been very

2841
02:10:27,400 --> 02:10:25,670
forthcoming and we're very grateful for

2842
02:10:28,609 --> 02:10:27,410
that relationship because we were the

2843
02:10:31,100 --> 02:10:28,619
first people ever allowed

2844
02:10:33,080 --> 02:10:31,110
to take footage and bring it off of the

2845
02:10:35,569 --> 02:10:33,090
sovereign nation off the you tribe land

2846
02:10:38,179 --> 02:10:35,579
so yeah in this film you'll be seeing

2847
02:10:40,729 --> 02:10:38,189
historic footage that's very compelling

2848
02:10:42,859 --> 02:10:40,739
I got two Raiders of the Lost Ark over

2849
02:10:45,739 --> 02:10:42,869
at George's I'm gonna push them for it

2850
02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:45,749
and he wanted to do a documentary about

2851
02:10:50,270 --> 02:10:48,570
this originally but it was decided it

2852
02:10:51,739 --> 02:10:50,280
was not a good idea for him to do that

2853
02:10:53,989 --> 02:10:51,749
documentary because of all the

2854
02:10:55,250 --> 02:10:53,999
trespassing and problems were causing

2855
02:10:57,949 --> 02:10:55,260
for the scientific study of the

2856
02:10:59,689 --> 02:10:57,959
phenomenon but I think now it's in new

2857
02:11:01,580 --> 02:10:59,699
ownership and new hands and I think very

2858
02:11:04,369 --> 02:11:01,590
capable hands and I think the studies

2859
02:11:06,199 --> 02:11:04,379
will continue and I think at this time

2860
02:11:09,819 --> 02:11:06,209
it's a very special window of

2861
02:11:12,139 --> 02:11:09,829
opportunity to get this story out

2862
02:11:15,229 --> 02:11:12,149
particularly because of how it relates

2863
02:11:18,739 --> 02:11:15,239
to what we just witnessed in popular

2864
02:11:23,149 --> 02:11:18,749
media yes okay so directly did de

2865
02:11:23,649 --> 02:11:23,159
Bigelow make contact with et I have no

2866
02:11:27,729 --> 02:11:23,659
idea

2867
02:11:30,709 --> 02:11:27,739
did the reference of these alloys at

2868
02:11:32,659 --> 02:11:30,719
which I think everybody's assuming it's

2869
02:11:36,979 --> 02:11:32,669
a Bigelow warehouse and owned warehouse

2870
02:11:38,779 --> 02:11:36,989
in Las Vegas for these alloys are at

2871
02:11:44,679 --> 02:11:38,789
right now

2872
02:11:49,489 --> 02:11:44,689
did Bigelow attain those materials

2873
02:11:52,060 --> 02:11:49,499
himself I don't believe so no so they

2874
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:52,070
came from why do you not believe so

2875
02:11:57,439 --> 02:11:54,570
because that's in congruent with what I

2876
02:12:00,229 --> 02:11:57,449
don't know no you can answer you can

2877
02:12:04,040 --> 02:12:00,239
answer I mean no I mean all I can say is

2878
02:12:07,729 --> 02:12:04,050
that I don't know I I believe that to be

2879
02:12:09,469 --> 02:12:07,739
completely incorrect the Biglow some how

2880
02:12:11,389 --> 02:12:09,479
are you asking did he get those from the

2881
02:12:13,250 --> 02:12:11,399
ranch the other is being held that's

2882
02:12:16,790 --> 02:12:13,260
what I think a lot of people are

2883
02:12:17,389 --> 02:12:16,800
assuming right now it's it's a safe

2884
02:12:23,839 --> 02:12:17,399
assumption

2885
02:12:28,729 --> 02:12:23,849
believe that to be true okay so you

2886
02:12:34,790 --> 02:12:28,739
don't you don't have footage of a craft

2887
02:12:36,739 --> 02:12:34,800
at skinwalker well that's a tricky one

2888
02:12:39,459 --> 02:12:36,749
that you know that if you remember the

2889
02:12:41,240 --> 02:12:39,469
entire problem with the knids

2890
02:12:44,540 --> 02:12:41,250
investigation right

2891
02:12:46,220 --> 02:12:44,550
in the book is that the original man who

2892
02:12:48,710 --> 02:12:46,230
was living there and you know kind of

2893
02:12:50,660 --> 02:12:48,720
let mids on and sold the ranch said you

2894
02:12:53,960 --> 02:12:50,670
need to stalk this like an intelligent

2895
02:12:55,850 --> 02:12:53,970
animal it makes mistakes but you need to

2896
02:12:57,530 --> 02:12:55,860
be quiet you need to be silent coming in

2897
02:13:00,290 --> 02:12:57,540
here with a bunch of technology is

2898
02:13:02,660 --> 02:13:00,300
probably the wrong way and indeed

2899
02:13:05,090 --> 02:13:02,670
the head of the program dr. Colin

2900
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:05,100
Kelleher after a while agreed with that

2901
02:13:09,590 --> 02:13:07,770
that the phenomenon would decrease as

2902
02:13:11,300 --> 02:13:09,600
the observation increased as if it

2903
02:13:14,750 --> 02:13:11,310
didn't like being watched

2904
02:13:17,720 --> 02:13:14,760
however there have been a lot of things

2905
02:13:19,640 --> 02:13:17,730
captured that are anomalous on film in

2906
02:13:21,530 --> 02:13:19,650
the areas but I'll give you a concrete

2907
02:13:24,260 --> 02:13:21,540
example of something that will be

2908
02:13:27,740 --> 02:13:24,270
discovered more in the film they at the

2909
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:27,750
time had a very high-end version of

2910
02:13:33,140 --> 02:13:29,850
night vision back in the early days of

2911
02:13:35,180 --> 02:13:33,150
night vision it I think it is public

2912
02:13:39,170 --> 02:13:35,190
knowledge that one of the scientists on

2913
02:13:41,600 --> 02:13:39,180
the ranch did see it's written in the

2914
02:13:44,150 --> 02:13:41,610
book something coming out of what looked

2915
02:13:45,710 --> 02:13:44,160
like an orange glowing tunnel as if this

2916
02:13:49,160 --> 02:13:45,720
tunnel of light kind of opened up in

2917
02:13:50,810 --> 02:13:49,170
this creature dark you know almost a

2918
02:13:51,980 --> 02:13:50,820
void of light through night vision if

2919
02:13:54,650 --> 02:13:51,990
you have ever used night vision

2920
02:13:57,560 --> 02:13:54,660
something that has zero light right so

2921
02:13:59,000 --> 02:13:57,570
no face or whatever crawled out of this

2922
02:14:00,860 --> 02:13:59,010
you know hole allegedly one of the

2923
02:14:03,740 --> 02:14:00,870
science to saw this and really freaked

2924
02:14:07,400 --> 02:14:03,750
out when they tried to capture that

2925
02:14:09,590 --> 02:14:07,410
scenario on film without without night

2926
02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:09,600
vision all you saw was an Amber glow so

2927
02:14:13,190 --> 02:14:10,890
you can get a cool picture of an amber

2928
02:14:15,530 --> 02:14:13,200
glow but that doesn't show you what was

2929
02:14:17,390 --> 02:14:15,540
experienced by the people there so there

2930
02:14:20,450 --> 02:14:17,400
is physical evidence and I will be

2931
02:14:23,330 --> 02:14:20,460
trying to focus on that in my film and

2932
02:14:25,100 --> 02:14:23,340
it is a very informed narrative that

2933
02:14:26,450 --> 02:14:25,110
I'll be sharing with people about the

2934
02:14:29,150 --> 02:14:26,460
physical evidence but that was always

2935
02:14:32,120 --> 02:14:29,160
the problem let's can walk around what

2936
02:14:34,940 --> 02:14:32,130
do you think ultimately is happening at

2937
02:14:39,560 --> 02:14:34,950
skinwalkers at interdimensional is it

2938
02:14:43,550 --> 02:14:39,570
offworld is it is it just spirits is it

2939
02:14:46,970 --> 02:14:43,560
us that's way above my paygrade to

2940
02:14:48,350 --> 02:14:46,980
discern however there it there were

2941
02:14:51,440 --> 02:14:48,360
people within the Defense Intelligence

2942
02:14:53,030 --> 02:14:51,450
Agency that attempted some say

2943
02:14:54,530 --> 02:14:53,040
successfully to shut down the program

2944
02:14:55,010 --> 02:14:54,540
because they believe what they were

2945
02:14:58,070 --> 02:14:55,020
seeing

2946
02:14:59,570 --> 02:14:58,080
demonic so if you look at right so but

2947
02:15:01,310 --> 02:14:59,580
that is very real there's a contingency

2948
02:15:03,490 --> 02:15:01,320
within the Defense Intelligence Agency

2949
02:15:05,600 --> 02:15:03,500
which look takes that very seriously

2950
02:15:07,580 --> 02:15:05,610
back to your point like I do you have a

2951
02:15:10,670 --> 02:15:07,590
video of a craft you know my films are

2952
02:15:12,650 --> 02:15:10,680
more you know about the individuals than

2953
02:15:14,360 --> 02:15:12,660
it is about like you know look at this

2954
02:15:17,420 --> 02:15:14,370
proof evidence but if something thought

2955
02:15:19,670 --> 02:15:17,430
in my lap sure I was shown very

2956
02:15:21,380 --> 02:15:19,680
interestingly at a conversation with one

2957
02:15:23,210 --> 02:15:21,390
of the tribal police officers this was

2958
02:15:24,710 --> 02:15:23,220
the most chilling moment for me if all

2959
02:15:27,470 --> 02:15:24,720
my time's going to the ranch or whatever

2960
02:15:29,090 --> 02:15:27,480
this was the most chilling so this this

2961
02:15:30,620 --> 02:15:29,100
guy I'm talking with him he's I'm not

2962
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:30,630
gonna say specifically his position

2963
02:15:35,180 --> 02:15:32,490
because we're giving away but he's an

2964
02:15:36,860 --> 02:15:35,190
individual who is a well-known law

2965
02:15:38,540 --> 02:15:36,870
enforcement person tribal law

2966
02:15:41,330 --> 02:15:38,550
enforcement person and he kind of took

2967
02:15:42,980 --> 02:15:41,340
me aside after I earned his trust a

2968
02:15:44,510 --> 02:15:42,990
little bit he says I'm gonna show you

2969
02:15:48,500 --> 02:15:44,520
something he took me into his little

2970
02:15:51,290 --> 02:15:48,510
command center opens his phone and shows

2971
02:15:55,910 --> 02:15:51,300
me one of the most astonishing videos of

2972
02:15:57,560 --> 02:15:55,920
a UFO crossing over the area of the

2973
02:16:01,790 --> 02:15:57,570
ranch although it's not right over the

2974
02:16:04,280 --> 02:16:01,800
ranch plain as day on his phone it was

2975
02:16:10,160 --> 02:16:04,290
incredible and I said you know can I

2976
02:16:11,990 --> 02:16:10,170
have that nope not not now not today and

2977
02:16:14,630 --> 02:16:12,000
then he turned to me and he says look

2978
02:16:17,600 --> 02:16:14,640
I've seen people like you I've seen this

2979
02:16:21,080 --> 02:16:17,610
happen you are hunting something it

2980
02:16:24,050 --> 02:16:21,090
knows you are hunting it it will harm

2981
02:16:25,730 --> 02:16:24,060
you given the chance and he's telling me

2982
02:16:26,600 --> 02:16:25,740
this not to like freak me out or

2983
02:16:29,150 --> 02:16:26,610
something like this there was like a

2984
02:16:31,580 --> 02:16:29,160
true concern and as he's telling me this

2985
02:16:33,770 --> 02:16:31,590
he looks at his partner the other

2986
02:16:35,690 --> 02:16:33,780
officer and I can tell I can see between

2987
02:16:38,270 --> 02:16:35,700
them that they they're talking about

2988
02:16:40,250 --> 02:16:38,280
something specific and and then I get

2989
02:16:41,810 --> 02:16:40,260
the story and the other officer they

2990
02:16:45,680 --> 02:16:41,820
both declined to go on camera they do

2991
02:16:48,020 --> 02:16:45,690
not want public exposure what this other

2992
02:16:50,089 --> 02:16:48,030
officer saw and how it impacted his

2993
02:16:51,980 --> 02:16:50,099
family how it attached to his life and

2994
02:16:54,680 --> 02:16:51,990
the people he loved and how it

2995
02:16:56,480 --> 02:16:54,690
terrorized him for a time that's what he

2996
02:16:58,850 --> 02:16:56,490
was talking about that was the most

2997
02:17:00,589 --> 02:16:58,860
chilling everybody out there has

2998
02:17:01,040 --> 02:17:00,599
experiences and they've seen these

2999
02:17:04,640 --> 02:17:01,050
things

3000
02:17:06,980 --> 02:17:04,650
let it be beings craft just incredible I

3001
02:17:08,139 --> 02:17:06,990
mean mile-wide craft going into a

3002
02:17:10,029 --> 02:17:08,149
mountain

3003
02:17:12,909 --> 02:17:10,039
just astonishing witness testimony for

3004
02:17:15,159 --> 02:17:12,919
people who don't want exposure what did

3005
02:17:17,739 --> 02:17:15,169
you see in the video and was a daylight

3006
02:17:19,629 --> 02:17:17,749
or a nighttime shot it was it was more

3007
02:17:22,419 --> 02:17:19,639
towards evening you know kind of sunset

3008
02:17:24,759 --> 02:17:22,429
ish but it was just a glowing large

3009
02:17:27,279 --> 02:17:24,769
small moving like on a cell phone

3010
02:17:29,469 --> 02:17:27,289
there's no CG effect there's no ability

3011
02:17:34,529 --> 02:17:29,479
for somebody to create this there it was

3012
02:17:39,909 --> 02:17:34,539
a true unidentified floating object of

3013
02:17:41,769 --> 02:17:39,919
high luminosity it was big and it was

3014
02:17:44,019 --> 02:17:41,779
pretty astounding you know wasn't just a

3015
02:17:46,809 --> 02:17:44,029
tiny little dot in the sky I wish I had

3016
02:17:50,589 --> 02:17:46,819
the video I have to get to see a UFO

3017
02:17:54,489 --> 02:17:50,599
what was the altitude I would say over

3018
02:17:56,529 --> 02:17:54,499
the two houses high over the house so it

3019
02:18:00,669 --> 02:17:56,539
was pretty darned low I'd say with him I

3020
02:18:04,209 --> 02:18:00,679
don't know 150 feet that's crazy

3021
02:18:07,330 --> 02:18:04,219
yeah totally how long how long was the

3022
02:18:11,349 --> 02:18:07,340
video in duration I watched it for

3023
02:18:12,909 --> 02:18:11,359
probably about 30 seconds he was just

3024
02:18:15,250 --> 02:18:12,919
showing me because I had asked him

3025
02:18:16,959 --> 02:18:15,260
specific question about something that

3026
02:18:18,429 --> 02:18:16,969
he had seen on a regular basis and he

3027
02:18:20,649 --> 02:18:18,439
said I caught it one time on film okay

3028
02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:20,659
so that was my next question you just

3029
02:18:26,859 --> 02:18:22,639
answered it I'll ask anyway

3030
02:18:28,959 --> 02:18:26,869
so it was his footage he witnessed as he

3031
02:18:30,429 --> 02:18:28,969
shot at himself oh yeah he didn't even

3032
02:18:33,399 --> 02:18:30,439
know how to get it off his phone I mean

3033
02:18:36,699 --> 02:18:33,409
yeah it was his footage yeah and what

3034
02:18:39,250 --> 02:18:36,709
did it look solid you know you you know

3035
02:18:42,389 --> 02:18:39,260
you know yeah you know what to do yeah I

3036
02:18:46,989 --> 02:18:42,399
mean it was it was absolutely real

3037
02:18:49,089 --> 02:18:46,999
something high energy not like I mean

3038
02:18:51,399 --> 02:18:49,099
not a light object not a plasma object

3039
02:18:54,159 --> 02:18:51,409
you're saying this was a physical craft

3040
02:18:56,500 --> 02:18:54,169
right it appears I'm looking at a

3041
02:18:58,209 --> 02:18:56,510
cellphone video but yeah I mean it was

3042
02:18:59,559 --> 02:18:58,219
it was compelling enough Rose I can I

3043
02:19:01,779 --> 02:18:59,569
have that I mean that's pretty

3044
02:19:03,129 --> 02:19:01,789
incredible that's it you know if you put

3045
02:19:04,929 --> 02:19:03,139
it on the scope of everything that's out

3046
02:19:07,599 --> 02:19:04,939
there it's probably one of the best that

3047
02:19:11,589 --> 02:19:07,609
I've seen however I hope that more will

3048
02:19:14,049 --> 02:19:11,599
be coming out did you okay now do you

3049
02:19:16,179 --> 02:19:14,059
have this footage now no you wouldn't

3050
02:19:20,019 --> 02:19:16,189
give it to me man no man why don't you

3051
02:19:21,940 --> 02:19:20,029
and I go up there burning these guys

3052
02:19:23,290 --> 02:19:21,950
trust I mean I can't just make

3053
02:19:25,570 --> 02:19:23,300
didn't say he didn't say could never

3054
02:19:28,540 --> 02:19:25,580
have it he just basically told me nope

3055
02:19:30,550 --> 02:19:28,550
not today and I do think it is

3056
02:19:33,160 --> 02:19:30,560
interesting but it is just a drop in the

3057
02:19:36,370 --> 02:19:33,170
bucket remember this area was studied

3058
02:19:38,230 --> 02:19:36,380
scientifically for a long time the

3059
02:19:39,880 --> 02:19:38,240
mutilations are something that I think

3060
02:19:42,250 --> 02:19:39,890
are the most interesting because this is

3061
02:19:44,709 --> 02:19:42,260
concrete physical hard core evidence of

3062
02:19:47,470 --> 02:19:44,719
intervention with cattle in ways that

3063
02:19:49,180 --> 02:19:47,480
seem to completely go against anything

3064
02:19:52,290 --> 02:19:49,190
that we can imagine how it could be done

3065
02:19:56,140 --> 02:19:52,300
not a single drop of blood just

3066
02:19:59,591 --> 02:19:56,150
absolutely bizarre and that I do have

3067
02:20:00,730 --> 02:19:59,601
footage if you hunt the skinwalker Kong

3068
02:20:02,950 --> 02:20:00,740
we go to that web site and so the

3069
02:20:05,500 --> 02:20:02,960
opening splash pages from the nudes

3070
02:20:11,011 --> 02:20:05,510
investigations that footage and so

3071
02:20:14,230 --> 02:20:11,021
you've actually seen a cattle mutilation

3072
02:20:19,500 --> 02:20:14,240
yeah I mean not in the flesh yeah

3073
02:20:23,770 --> 02:20:21,640
everybody tells me still got time to get

3074
02:20:27,430 --> 02:20:23,780
scared I just you know I feel a joy over

3075
02:20:30,460 --> 02:20:27,440
there I don't feel any negative feeling

3076
02:20:34,060 --> 02:20:30,470
in that area you know now have you I

3077
02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:34,070
just preferred to you directly where you

3078
02:20:38,261 --> 02:20:36,080
know I had this eye witness you know

3079
02:20:42,131 --> 02:20:38,271
come on the show and talk about these

3080
02:20:45,220 --> 02:20:42,141
these floating you know red eye demon

3081
02:20:48,220 --> 02:20:45,230
dog things right that everybody up there

3082
02:20:50,110 --> 02:20:48,230
seems to see what do you think about

3083
02:20:54,070 --> 02:20:50,120
those kinds of reports because this

3084
02:20:55,750 --> 02:20:54,080
whole demon side of it right this evil

3085
02:20:58,421 --> 02:20:55,760
side of it is something that prevails

3086
02:21:01,480 --> 02:20:58,431
out there with the eyewitnesses and the

3087
02:21:04,301 --> 02:21:01,490
community what do you think about that

3088
02:21:06,220 --> 02:21:04,311
side of the reports look man these

3089
02:21:08,530 --> 02:21:06,230
people take it very seriously who live

3090
02:21:09,761 --> 02:21:08,540
you know in the area so some of the

3091
02:21:11,560 --> 02:21:09,771
things that I found very interesting

3092
02:21:13,660 --> 02:21:11,570
about the police force out there the

3093
02:21:15,730 --> 02:21:13,670
tribal police force they have to take

3094
02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:15,740
every call seriously because they've

3095
02:21:21,011 --> 02:21:19,010
seen the impacts if they don't so this

3096
02:21:22,000 --> 02:21:21,021
is common understanding that there is

3097
02:21:24,280 --> 02:21:22,010
something else

3098
02:21:26,020 --> 02:21:24,290
now the pressing question and this is

3099
02:21:29,131 --> 02:21:26,030
one of the more dramatic parts I think

3100
02:21:32,171 --> 02:21:29,141
in my film as it's being put together

3101
02:21:34,540 --> 02:21:32,181
there's a central question when you see

3102
02:21:35,330 --> 02:21:34,550
people that you love and they have an

3103
02:21:37,880 --> 02:21:35,340
experience

3104
02:21:39,710 --> 02:21:37,890
they see a craft or ship and it shines

3105
02:21:42,050 --> 02:21:39,720
the light beams it down on them and

3106
02:21:44,300 --> 02:21:42,060
let's say they get a really intense

3107
02:21:46,790 --> 02:21:44,310
radiation burn and then get a cancer and

3108
02:21:47,990 --> 02:21:46,800
die within a year and then you see other

3109
02:21:51,679 --> 02:21:48,000
people who have had similar experiences

3110
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:51,689
and are sick from this type of thing and

3111
02:21:56,929 --> 02:21:55,290
then if you encounter some sort of craft

3112
02:21:59,000 --> 02:21:56,939
it beams the light on you and you're

3113
02:22:00,080 --> 02:21:59,010
sitting there thinking is this is this

3114
02:22:02,870 --> 02:22:00,090
how I'm going down

3115
02:22:06,020 --> 02:22:02,880
it's very emotional and people want

3116
02:22:08,660 --> 02:22:06,030
answers they want to know - is this real

3117
02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:08,670
is this paranormal is this UFO or is

3118
02:22:14,330 --> 02:22:11,010
this the government that is a central

3119
02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:14,340
question of this film now I know that

3120
02:22:18,889 --> 02:22:17,010
you just stated that you know you're

3121
02:22:21,710 --> 02:22:18,899
you're interviewing people and you're

3122
02:22:24,830 --> 02:22:21,720
capturing that side of it but did you

3123
02:22:27,710 --> 02:22:24,840
experience anything supernatural me

3124
02:22:29,960 --> 02:22:27,720
personally I'm Way more skeptical when

3125
02:22:31,790 --> 02:22:29,970
I'm in that area because you kind of

3126
02:22:34,370 --> 02:22:31,800
expect you know you're hoping to expect

3127
02:22:37,810 --> 02:22:34,380
to see something I can't say that I've

3128
02:22:40,760 --> 02:22:37,820
seen anything that is truly

3129
02:22:44,960 --> 02:22:40,770
unexplainable you know on my trips up

3130
02:22:47,650 --> 02:22:44,970
there that's about as far as I can go

3131
02:22:51,620 --> 02:22:47,660
you know okay

3132
02:22:54,920 --> 02:22:51,630
the thing is this also you live in

3133
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:54,930
pioneer town Joshua Tree one of the most

3134
02:22:59,630 --> 02:22:56,640
magical places in the country you have

3135
02:23:02,780 --> 02:22:59,640
Sedona you have ecity Ranch right you

3136
02:23:05,870 --> 02:23:02,790
have these different areas do you think

3137
02:23:09,950 --> 02:23:05,880
that skinwalker what is going on there

3138
02:23:14,510 --> 02:23:09,960
is is a specialist skinwalker or is this

3139
02:23:16,639 --> 02:23:14,520
also what is going on at other locations

3140
02:23:18,830 --> 02:23:16,649
around the country there are other

3141
02:23:21,860 --> 02:23:18,840
locations that have been identified both

3142
02:23:23,450 --> 02:23:21,870
by the DIA and by the Ned's group that

3143
02:23:25,219 --> 02:23:23,460
there are other locations of high

3144
02:23:27,110 --> 02:23:25,229
activity you know they say places where

3145
02:23:30,500 --> 02:23:27,120
the world is thin how else can you say

3146
02:23:33,080 --> 02:23:30,510
it skinwalker ranch is just a living

3147
02:23:35,810 --> 02:23:33,090
laboratory in a hot spot that extends

3148
02:23:37,490 --> 02:23:35,820
wave far beyond the border of the ranch

3149
02:23:39,349 --> 02:23:37,500
you know the ranch has nothing to do

3150
02:23:41,960 --> 02:23:39,359
with it other than it's a place where it

3151
02:23:45,620 --> 02:23:41,970
can be studied yes there are other

3152
02:23:48,950 --> 02:23:45,630
locations like this on our earth that

3153
02:23:51,080 --> 02:23:48,960
are known both in private circles

3154
02:23:54,590 --> 02:23:51,090
in military circles I can say that with

3155
02:23:57,650 --> 02:23:54,600
confidence I want to see it one is the

3156
02:23:59,600 --> 02:23:57,660
one is the film gonna be released oh my

3157
02:24:01,790 --> 02:23:59,610
god I want to see a two man I am jam in

3158
02:24:05,000 --> 02:24:01,800
two films in 2018 I don't know what I've

3159
02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:05,010
done to myself you know this will be a

3160
02:24:09,590 --> 02:24:07,770
summer release summer release for sure

3161
02:24:11,900 --> 02:24:09,600
you know I've heard this for me before

3162
02:24:13,490 --> 02:24:11,910
Jeremy no no actually I've never said

3163
02:24:17,360 --> 02:24:13,500
something's coming out when I didn't

3164
02:24:19,610 --> 02:24:17,370
know when never okay I'm gonna make you

3165
02:24:22,370 --> 02:24:19,620
go listen to some other shows of mine I

3166
02:24:23,960 --> 02:24:22,380
promise you man I have made sure this

3167
02:24:26,810 --> 02:24:23,970
will be a this will be a summer release

3168
02:24:29,810 --> 02:24:26,820
I am going to turn in the film you know

3169
02:24:32,360 --> 02:24:29,820
probably two months prior to that but it

3170
02:24:34,490 --> 02:24:32,370
is set for summer release and there will

3171
02:24:36,110 --> 02:24:34,500
be actually a big press release coming

3172
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:36,120
out pretty soon in the trade mags about

3173
02:24:40,460 --> 02:24:38,010
these two films and my signing for two

3174
02:24:41,560 --> 02:24:40,470
okay can I keep you for another 10

3175
02:24:44,420 --> 02:24:41,570
minutes of overtime

3176
02:24:45,590 --> 02:24:44,430
absolutely okay we're gonna do that and

3177
02:24:47,480 --> 02:24:45,600
we're gonna come back I want to talk

3178
02:24:49,040 --> 02:24:47,490
about some of the other projects and

3179
02:24:52,240 --> 02:24:49,050
getting a follow up on

3180
02:24:55,610 --> 02:24:52,250
Lazare when can we expect to see this

3181
02:24:57,890 --> 02:24:55,620
that will be at the end of 2018 I'm

3182
02:25:00,140 --> 02:24:57,900
going to squeeze every last drop a time

3183
02:25:02,030 --> 02:25:00,150
I can before releasing it in 2018

3184
02:25:04,219 --> 02:25:02,040
because it is a monumental task to go

3185
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:04,229
back 30 plus years in someone's life and

3186
02:25:09,469 --> 02:25:07,050
provide a two-hour film so I will do

3187
02:25:11,270 --> 02:25:09,479
that it will be in 2018 but it will be

3188
02:25:13,820 --> 02:25:11,280
the end of 2018

3189
02:25:15,620 --> 02:25:13,830
you know why there's something else that

3190
02:25:19,219 --> 02:25:15,630
I that is strange

3191
02:25:21,710 --> 02:25:19,229
TTS a is also doing lazarre's biography

3192
02:25:23,750 --> 02:25:21,720
the book yeah that's not so strange that

3193
02:25:26,240 --> 02:25:23,760
you know we that's something very talked

3194
02:25:28,969 --> 02:25:26,250
about I mean a Bob based they wanted to

3195
02:25:30,230 --> 02:25:28,979
just you know right the basic story that

3196
02:25:32,300 --> 02:25:30,240
you've heard and you know Bob's

3197
02:25:34,430 --> 02:25:32,310
first-person narrative right and it's

3198
02:25:36,200 --> 02:25:34,440
it's exactly the story as you know that

3199
02:25:38,320 --> 02:25:36,210
way it'll be in print and bob was happy

3200
02:25:41,510 --> 02:25:38,330
to know that it will be done that way

3201
02:25:43,730 --> 02:25:41,520
that's something that wasn't a hard sell

3202
02:25:47,240 --> 02:25:43,740
you know for him no no no what I mean is

3203
02:25:48,560 --> 02:25:47,250
what's gonna come out first oh no it

3204
02:25:52,370 --> 02:25:48,570
doesn't it doesn't really matter I think

3205
02:25:53,480 --> 02:25:52,380
it'd be complementary and I don't know I

3206
02:25:56,719 --> 02:25:53,490
don't know when they're gonna do that

3207
02:25:58,670 --> 02:25:56,729
yeah okay so TTS a isn't waiting for you

3208
02:26:00,440 --> 02:25:58,680
to release first no there's no

3209
02:26:01,969 --> 02:26:00,450
coordination I think they're just very

3210
02:26:02,511 --> 02:26:01,979
independent you know Bob story and

3211
02:26:04,610 --> 02:26:02,521
written

3212
02:26:05,990 --> 02:26:04,620
it's just like grabbing everything you

3213
02:26:06,950 --> 02:26:06,000
know off the internet putting it

3214
02:26:09,650 --> 02:26:06,960
basically into a narrative

3215
02:26:14,660 --> 02:26:09,660
straightforward first-person I don't

3216
02:26:16,430 --> 02:26:14,670
think there's gonna be anything new out

3217
02:26:18,890 --> 02:26:16,440
of that but it's just telling the story

3218
02:26:21,051 --> 02:26:18,900
right right that's my question

3219
02:26:23,091 --> 02:26:21,061
see you answer my questions before I am

3220
02:26:27,761 --> 02:26:23,101
I asked them and that's not cool

3221
02:26:30,490 --> 02:26:27,771
so let's try let's try this again in

3222
02:26:34,310 --> 02:26:30,500
about two minutes we got a hit a break

3223
02:26:39,620 --> 02:26:34,320
is there anything that is going to up

3224
02:26:43,700 --> 02:26:39,630
end in the lazar book that would be

3225
02:26:46,850 --> 02:26:43,710
presented in the film no you feel good

3226
02:26:49,280 --> 02:26:46,860
about that I'm positive I want the good

3227
02:26:52,070 --> 02:26:49,290
stuff to be in the in the film well I

3228
02:26:53,870 --> 02:26:52,080
just want Bob's story to be told clearly

3229
02:26:55,100 --> 02:26:53,880
and accurately and with the discerning

3230
02:26:57,320 --> 02:26:55,110
eyes so people can make their own

3231
02:26:59,000 --> 02:26:57,330
judgement and I think film is the right

3232
02:27:01,341 --> 02:26:59,010
medium to do that documentary is the

3233
02:27:03,440 --> 02:27:01,351
only way instead of glorifying it in

3234
02:27:06,520 --> 02:27:03,450
some fictional account at this time

3235
02:27:08,841 --> 02:27:06,530
that's see you answered my question

3236
02:27:10,520 --> 02:27:08,851
before I asked it that's why you're

3237
02:27:12,020 --> 02:27:10,530
Jeremy Korbel all right let's take a

3238
02:27:15,220 --> 02:27:12,030
break right here when we come back I

3239
02:27:17,990 --> 02:27:15,230
want to I want to go through a few other

3240
02:27:20,990 --> 02:27:18,000
short films that you have worked on and

3241
02:27:22,910 --> 02:27:21,000
see where they are today so you know

3242
02:27:24,921 --> 02:27:22,920
let's let's talk about nano man for

3243
02:27:27,410 --> 02:27:24,931
instant oh yeah exactly we'll do all of

3244
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that when we come back our guest jeremy

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Kenyon lock your Korbel we'll be right

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welcome back fade to black doing a

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little overtime with our guest tonight

3326
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Jeremy Korbel if you'll follow me on

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it's right there in Twitter Jeremy Nano

3330
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man

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one of the one that one of the cool

3332
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things that you have ever done and and

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jumping in I'll never forget those

3334
02:32:21,810 --> 02:32:19,480
scenes with the analysts the scientists

3335
02:32:26,070 --> 02:32:21,820
going you know holy crap wait a minute

3336
02:32:27,871 --> 02:32:26,080
right so what's up with Nano man yeah

3337
02:32:29,820 --> 02:32:27,881
well it's interesting so he's been

3338
02:32:31,140 --> 02:32:29,830
working a lot right now out of Arizona

3339
02:32:33,270 --> 02:32:31,150
his name is Chris Cooper

3340
02:32:35,161 --> 02:32:33,280
he's been weaving the carbon nanotubes

3341
02:32:37,560 --> 02:32:35,171
thread that I probably shown in some of

3342
02:32:38,761 --> 02:32:37,570
my films when you're talking about nano

3343
02:32:40,591 --> 02:32:38,771
man we're talking about three different

3344
02:32:42,451 --> 02:32:40,601
projects with him I was first turned on

3345
02:32:45,171 --> 02:32:42,461
to speak with him about a propulsion

3346
02:32:48,150 --> 02:32:45,181
device that he was working on by an AV

3347
02:32:49,560 --> 02:32:48,160
contact and this information was sent to

3348
02:32:52,621 --> 02:32:49,570
me you should study what this guys doing

3349
02:32:55,140 --> 02:32:52,631
it's really cutting bleeding edge so I

3350
02:32:57,001 --> 02:32:55,150
went to his place in his underground

3351
02:32:59,970 --> 02:32:57,011
laboratory and basically started filming

3352
02:33:01,831 --> 02:32:59,980
the development of the space drive which

3353
02:33:03,451 --> 02:33:01,841
you know he thought was a photonic hyper

3354
02:33:06,360 --> 02:33:03,461
space propulsion system really kind of

3355
02:33:08,761 --> 02:33:06,370
wild and it was some success and

3356
02:33:10,411 --> 02:33:08,771
failures but really cool he didn't

3357
02:33:13,650 --> 02:33:10,421
didn't to this point figure out exactly

3358
02:33:15,270 --> 02:33:13,660
how it's creating thrust but it is as

3359
02:33:18,121 --> 02:33:15,280
far as we can tell we put it on a

3360
02:33:20,520 --> 02:33:18,131
torsion pendulum and basically he's been

3361
02:33:23,850 --> 02:33:20,530
working on that we're also talking about

3362
02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:23,860
his work into the cold fusion process

3363
02:33:27,240 --> 02:33:25,690
which we now know is a you know process

3364
02:33:29,220 --> 02:33:27,250
that is gaining more ground these days

3365
02:33:30,600 --> 02:33:29,230
and I worked with some of the godfathers

3366
02:33:33,091 --> 02:33:30,610
of cold fusion people that worked at

3367
02:33:34,411 --> 02:33:33,101
Lawrence Livermore Lab filmed with a

3368
02:33:36,810 --> 02:33:34,421
whole bunch of people the world has not

3369
02:33:38,610 --> 02:33:36,820
seen that footage yet they just saw what

3370
02:33:42,390 --> 02:33:38,620
we think might be the first light bulb

3371
02:33:43,921 --> 02:33:42,400
ever lit up by this process so that was

3372
02:33:46,770 --> 02:33:43,931
neat released that to the public and

3373
02:33:49,591 --> 02:33:46,780
then also the other topic with Chris

3374
02:33:51,600 --> 02:33:49,601
Cooper was what I found later his

3375
02:33:54,150 --> 02:33:51,610
inspiration for these things in

3376
02:33:57,001 --> 02:33:54,160
nanotechnology was a material that he

3377
02:33:59,280 --> 02:33:57,011
didn't understand how it was fabricated

3378
02:34:02,070 --> 02:33:59,290
and neither did the technicians at NASA

3379
02:34:03,390 --> 02:34:02,080
Ames in the nanotechnology department so

3380
02:34:04,230 --> 02:34:03,400
he's an interesting guy

3381
02:34:05,761 --> 02:34:04,240
he's

3382
02:34:07,950 --> 02:34:05,771
working on spinning carbon nanotubes

3383
02:34:13,830 --> 02:34:07,960
thread like a maniac right now we will

3384
02:34:16,650 --> 02:34:13,840
be filming again soon the the first time

3385
02:34:19,171 --> 02:34:16,660
when he when he held up the vial yeah

3386
02:34:22,381 --> 02:34:19,181
right and you looked I think I might

3387
02:34:25,261 --> 02:34:22,391
have asked you this before what did you

3388
02:34:27,930 --> 02:34:25,271
did you see anything now look it looked

3389
02:34:29,610 --> 02:34:27,940
like water man I did yeah I mean I'm

3390
02:34:32,100 --> 02:34:29,620
there but and he corrected me quickly

3391
02:34:35,190 --> 02:34:32,110
goes no it's ethanol okay

3392
02:34:37,171 --> 02:34:35,200
so he basically gave me this vial after

3393
02:34:38,640 --> 02:34:37,181
we'd been going through all this normal

3394
02:34:40,650 --> 02:34:38,650
terrestrial stuff you know with

3395
02:34:41,910 --> 02:34:40,660
propulsion and said well this is

3396
02:34:44,671 --> 02:34:41,920
something of interest that I had

3397
02:34:46,770 --> 02:34:44,681
analyzed ten years ago and it has you

3398
02:34:49,860 --> 02:34:46,780
know nano particulates in uniform manner

3399
02:34:51,270 --> 02:34:49,870
that appeared to me you know to be for

3400
02:34:54,261 --> 02:34:51,280
lack of a better term a term from

3401
02:34:56,280 --> 02:34:54,271
science fiction Negrete

3402
02:34:58,110 --> 02:34:56,290
utility fog you know which is this

3403
02:34:59,850 --> 02:34:58,120
science fiction idea of a bunch of

3404
02:35:01,020 --> 02:34:59,860
machines that work towards greater whole

3405
02:35:02,730 --> 02:35:01,030
with the super intelligence so I was

3406
02:35:04,381 --> 02:35:02,740
like yeah that's crazy man I was like

3407
02:35:06,000 --> 02:35:04,391
well if I could have that I just take

3408
02:35:08,040 --> 02:35:06,010
and get it analyzed and he's like oh

3409
02:35:10,230 --> 02:35:08,050
here you go Brian he gave it to me and I

3410
02:35:12,000 --> 02:35:10,240
was like what and I said well what I

3411
02:35:13,470 --> 02:35:12,010
don't know any but how where where do I

3412
02:35:17,100 --> 02:35:13,480
do this and he's like well get you into

3413
02:35:19,980 --> 02:35:17,110
NASA like what and he did a full free

3414
02:35:22,200 --> 02:35:19,990
day on the scope we're the technician to

3415
02:35:23,761 --> 02:35:22,210
help me look for you know the needle in

3416
02:35:27,150 --> 02:35:23,771
the haystack and there was lots of this

3417
02:35:31,530 --> 02:35:27,160
stuff in it it was an incredible part of

3418
02:35:35,220 --> 02:35:31,540
the documentary were you able to follow

3419
02:35:39,091 --> 02:35:35,230
up on that and see any man what was the

3420
02:35:42,060 --> 02:35:39,101
cartoon with the construction workers on

3421
02:35:45,660 --> 02:35:42,070
Saturday mornings oh yes what was that

3422
02:35:48,120 --> 02:35:45,670
that was great yeah that's a rock yes

3423
02:35:50,881 --> 02:35:48,130
yeah Fraggle Rock was that did you catch

3424
02:35:53,341 --> 02:35:50,891
any Fraggles no I wish there was some

3425
02:35:55,830 --> 02:35:53,351
like alien you know serial number on

3426
02:35:59,131 --> 02:35:55,840
these parts no it remains a mystery all

3427
02:36:01,140 --> 02:35:59,141
I know is that we at this time cannot

3428
02:36:02,910 --> 02:36:01,150
you know perforate the materials in

3429
02:36:05,700 --> 02:36:02,920
these like you know nanometers and

3430
02:36:07,171 --> 02:36:05,710
create these objects that are uniform

3431
02:36:09,511 --> 02:36:07,181
and you know that's something apparently

3432
02:36:11,220 --> 02:36:09,521
we don't quite have the ability to do

3433
02:36:13,230 --> 02:36:11,230
with that atomic printing or something

3434
02:36:15,290 --> 02:36:13,240
like that the next step would be to take

3435
02:36:17,420 --> 02:36:15,300
it to NIST

3436
02:36:18,920 --> 02:36:17,430
and to be able to some National

3437
02:36:21,230 --> 02:36:18,930
Institute of Science and Technology and

3438
02:36:23,059 --> 02:36:21,240
they have atomic milling so being able

3439
02:36:25,400 --> 02:36:23,069
to put it under the right machines and

3440
02:36:27,500 --> 02:36:25,410
kind of core through this outer sheath

3441
02:36:29,929 --> 02:36:27,510
it seems to protect these inner layers

3442
02:36:32,719 --> 02:36:29,939
and up until now I have not been able to

3443
02:36:35,330 --> 02:36:32,729
do you have the ability to do that but

3444
02:36:36,860 --> 02:36:35,340
it's looking very promising now actually

3445
02:36:38,630 --> 02:36:36,870
that I'm going to be able to take this

3446
02:36:41,210 --> 02:36:38,640
material which is still in the vial and

3447
02:36:43,160 --> 02:36:41,220
have it further analyzed and find out if

3448
02:36:45,139 --> 02:36:43,170
like in patient 17 if it's a Tonka truck

3449
02:36:49,010 --> 02:36:45,149
or something from out of this world well

3450
02:36:51,860 --> 02:36:49,020
and what is the what is the solution

3451
02:36:54,740 --> 02:36:51,870
that it's suspended in ethanol it is

3452
02:37:01,969 --> 02:36:54,750
ethanol so you can't drink it I wouldn't

3453
02:37:04,520 --> 02:37:01,979
try it fools water I don't know what it

3454
02:37:06,380 --> 02:37:04,530
is no I really don't but I loved how

3455
02:37:09,559 --> 02:37:06,390
mystified everybody was in the

3456
02:37:12,740 --> 02:37:09,569
nanotechnology department at NASA Ames I

3457
02:37:15,260 --> 02:37:12,750
mean it is strange and we and it did

3458
02:37:17,179 --> 02:37:15,270
come from you know a high activity site

3459
02:37:20,120 --> 02:37:17,189
where there was a um you know an alleged

3460
02:37:23,030 --> 02:37:20,130
UFO landing so if all of that is true

3461
02:37:25,730 --> 02:37:23,040
that's interesting what I'm most curious

3462
02:37:28,130 --> 02:37:25,740
about is is this material anomalous it's

3463
02:37:29,570 --> 02:37:28,140
just like the patient 17 object I don't

3464
02:37:32,690 --> 02:37:29,580
care where it's wrong right

3465
02:37:34,790 --> 02:37:32,700
is it anomalous Jimmy this comes from do

3466
02:37:37,690 --> 02:37:34,800
sky Jimmy please ask Jeremy if the

3467
02:37:41,150 --> 02:37:37,700
fallout from Tom DeLonge into the Stars

3468
02:37:43,250 --> 02:37:41,160
initiative has reignited interest in his

3469
02:37:46,400 --> 02:37:43,260
truth embargo documentary about the

3470
02:37:49,550 --> 02:37:46,410
citizens hearing and how soon might we

3471
02:37:51,679 --> 02:37:49,560
get to see it gosh you know my partner

3472
02:37:53,210 --> 02:37:51,689
in the Citizen hearing Rueben Lang them

3473
02:37:54,650 --> 02:37:53,220
the unsung hero of the Citizen hearing

3474
02:37:57,920 --> 02:37:54,660
we were talking about this the other

3475
02:38:00,139 --> 02:37:57,930
week our job is to really continue to

3476
02:38:02,750 --> 02:38:00,149
get the footage from the suit of suit

3477
02:38:04,309 --> 02:38:02,760
hearing out to people that documentary

3478
02:38:07,099 --> 02:38:04,319
covering the Citizen hearing doesn't

3479
02:38:10,160 --> 02:38:07,109
seem as important to us as getting the

3480
02:38:12,650 --> 02:38:10,170
testimony out to people I you know I

3481
02:38:16,280 --> 02:38:12,660
don't know if it's a fallout from from

3482
02:38:19,550 --> 02:38:16,290
you know DeLong's in endeavour again I

3483
02:38:21,860 --> 02:38:19,560
stand strong that there's a lot that we

3484
02:38:23,929 --> 02:38:21,870
have now to work with that we didn't

3485
02:38:26,900 --> 02:38:23,939
before there are some tough questions

3486
02:38:28,820 --> 02:38:26,910
that need to be answered and I do feel

3487
02:38:31,070 --> 02:38:28,830
that we are going to get some of those

3488
02:38:33,680 --> 02:38:31,080
answers if we keep asking the questions

3489
02:38:35,440 --> 02:38:33,690
so if that answers your question I hope

3490
02:38:38,960 --> 02:38:35,450
it does well the truth embargo

3491
02:38:41,511 --> 02:38:38,970
documentary this is I mean the testimony

3492
02:38:43,970 --> 02:38:41,521
the the hearing itself

3493
02:38:46,100 --> 02:38:43,980
it's fascinating I mean I couldn't get

3494
02:38:48,740 --> 02:38:46,110
enough of it when it went it for but but

3495
02:38:50,180 --> 02:38:48,750
that's one part of it but for me the

3496
02:38:53,180 --> 02:38:50,190
behind the scenes to the truth embargo

3497
02:38:55,640 --> 02:38:53,190
the documentary is just as compelling as

3498
02:38:57,860 --> 02:38:55,650
the hearing itself I think you need to

3499
02:39:00,530 --> 02:38:57,870
get that out there right and we did tons

3500
02:39:02,780 --> 02:39:00,540
and tons of interviews that you know in

3501
02:39:05,090 --> 02:39:02,790
depth with with people not even on

3502
02:39:07,160 --> 02:39:05,100
location like the anonymous interview

3503
02:39:09,740 --> 02:39:07,170
was something we got we took for the

3504
02:39:11,900 --> 02:39:09,750
documentary for that hearing because it

3505
02:39:13,700 --> 02:39:11,910
was such a compelling story so yeah

3506
02:39:16,670 --> 02:39:13,710
there's so much content there it's just

3507
02:39:18,560 --> 02:39:16,680
what are what is the prime objective

3508
02:39:20,180 --> 02:39:18,570
here for 2018 for me I've got these

3509
02:39:22,190 --> 02:39:20,190
great gifts of being able to do

3510
02:39:24,470 --> 02:39:22,200
skinwalker story in the Lazar story I

3511
02:39:27,140 --> 02:39:24,480
will do those and then I'll set my aim

3512
02:39:29,030 --> 02:39:27,150
on the next one whatever it is that is

3513
02:39:31,190 --> 02:39:29,040
most important at the time these two are

3514
02:39:34,130 --> 02:39:31,200
timely now we've been talking about

3515
02:39:36,830 --> 02:39:34,140
patient 17 online we've haven't gotten

3516
02:39:38,590 --> 02:39:36,840
specific about it first off how is it

3517
02:39:40,610 --> 02:39:38,600
doing on Netflix

3518
02:39:44,030 --> 02:39:40,620
apparently phenomenally well I think

3519
02:39:47,780 --> 02:39:44,040
Netflix is starved for really you know

3520
02:39:49,551 --> 02:39:47,790
good UFO based content in general so I

3521
02:39:51,320 --> 02:39:49,561
think when people see the poster and

3522
02:39:52,130 --> 02:39:51,330
they're like oh cool that's probably

3523
02:39:54,290 --> 02:39:52,140
about UFOs

3524
02:39:57,051 --> 02:39:54,300
so people are clicking away and it's

3525
02:39:58,850 --> 02:39:57,061
doing really great and so you know look

3526
02:40:00,261 --> 02:39:58,860
it's always mixed reviews if people like

3527
02:40:02,511 --> 02:40:00,271
your film or they don't like you thought

3528
02:40:05,600 --> 02:40:02,521
your film I kind of care less after I'd

3529
02:40:08,480 --> 02:40:05,610
put it out I did my best to give people

3530
02:40:11,420 --> 02:40:08,490
the vision of what I saw and went

3531
02:40:13,070 --> 02:40:11,430
through at that time and apparently

3532
02:40:15,710 --> 02:40:13,080
people are clicking on it people are

3533
02:40:18,530 --> 02:40:15,720
watching it so that is awesome I am so

3534
02:40:20,720 --> 02:40:18,540
grateful people dig it right there's so

3535
02:40:22,190 --> 02:40:20,730
much more to come well tell them tell

3536
02:40:23,780 --> 02:40:22,200
them about patience haven't even what's

3537
02:40:25,551 --> 02:40:23,790
it about well I think they should go to

3538
02:40:27,140 --> 02:40:25,561
Netflix they should watch the film or

3539
02:40:29,240 --> 02:40:27,150
iTunes or Amazon you'll get a full

3540
02:40:32,120 --> 02:40:29,250
understanding but the very short version

3541
02:40:34,340 --> 02:40:32,130
of it is dr. Roger Leir alleged to be

3542
02:40:36,680 --> 02:40:34,350
removing alien implants and I was kind

3543
02:40:39,950 --> 02:40:36,690
of calling BS at the beginning on it and

3544
02:40:42,030 --> 02:40:39,960
then I met patient 17 dr. Leir dies and

3545
02:40:44,190 --> 02:40:42,040
all of a sudden my film is no longer you

3546
02:40:46,230 --> 02:40:44,200
about dr. Leir it's about the patient

3547
02:40:49,800 --> 02:40:46,240
and about what he's going through and

3548
02:40:51,240 --> 02:40:49,810
he's such a kind and not the kind of

3549
02:40:53,850 --> 02:40:51,250
person you'd expect to be going through

3550
02:40:56,910 --> 02:40:53,860
these experiences and he wanted to know

3551
02:40:59,220 --> 02:40:56,920
- does this object in his leg have

3552
02:41:00,840 --> 02:40:59,230
anything to do with his personal

3553
02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:00,850
abductive experiences which he hadn't

3554
02:41:05,990 --> 02:41:03,130
even told a lot of his family or church

3555
02:41:09,540 --> 02:41:06,000
about or anybody and so it was a real

3556
02:41:11,910 --> 02:41:09,550
shock that the whole aim of the film

3557
02:41:14,850 --> 02:41:11,920
changed as I was going through it and at

3558
02:41:16,590 --> 02:41:14,860
the end of the day we know more now than

3559
02:41:19,230 --> 02:41:16,600
we did at the beginning and it's

3560
02:41:21,240 --> 02:41:19,240
something now we have to verify those

3561
02:41:23,610 --> 02:41:21,250
results three ways from Sunday and at

3562
02:41:25,560 --> 02:41:23,620
the and I want to give away the film but

3563
02:41:28,590 --> 02:41:25,570
that was very hard to do for a while but

3564
02:41:30,900 --> 02:41:28,600
I feel that I am on a good path now to

3565
02:41:33,750 --> 02:41:30,910
getting more tests done to be able to

3566
02:41:38,060 --> 02:41:33,760
answer that question now specifically on

3567
02:41:41,460 --> 02:41:38,070
what was removed from 17 or the other

3568
02:41:44,790 --> 02:41:41,470
implants that Lear was in possession of

3569
02:41:46,470 --> 02:41:44,800
and where are those yes I don't touch

3570
02:41:48,270 --> 02:41:46,480
that with a 10-foot Pole because I

3571
02:41:49,680 --> 02:41:48,280
didn't see chain of custody I don't know

3572
02:41:51,330 --> 02:41:49,690
about those other things I don't even

3573
02:41:53,310 --> 02:41:51,340
call them implants I'm not calling this

3574
02:41:56,761 --> 02:41:53,320
one an implant but it is a foreign body

3575
02:41:58,830 --> 02:41:56,771
and alloy 36 different elements that was

3576
02:42:01,140 --> 02:41:58,840
in a man's body we did I stopped ik

3577
02:42:03,780 --> 02:42:01,150
analysis which basically shows you the

3578
02:42:05,430 --> 02:42:03,790
the composition let's say of zinc you

3579
02:42:09,030 --> 02:42:05,440
know there's five different kinds four

3580
02:42:11,580 --> 02:42:09,040
you can measure four and the zinc 64 by

3581
02:42:14,160 --> 02:42:11,590
these tests was definitively

3582
02:42:16,560 --> 02:42:14,170
non-terrestrial meaning you know made

3583
02:42:20,300 --> 02:42:16,570
outside of our solar system or farther

3584
02:42:23,011 --> 02:42:20,310
much farther now unless that test is

3585
02:42:25,680 --> 02:42:23,021
fabricated by a National Laboratory or

3586
02:42:27,630 --> 02:42:25,690
it's flawed in some way because they

3587
02:42:30,030 --> 02:42:27,640
didn't triple wash it although they did

3588
02:42:31,440 --> 02:42:30,040
and I pushed them on that then we do

3589
02:42:33,420 --> 02:42:31,450
have an anomalous result kind of like

3590
02:42:35,040 --> 02:42:33,430
Jacques Vallee it has 15 samples that

3591
02:42:37,500 --> 02:42:35,050
he's looking at right now with the same

3592
02:42:40,200 --> 02:42:37,510
methods so the idea is can we get this

3593
02:42:42,930 --> 02:42:40,210
object back and then can we do the

3594
02:42:45,660 --> 02:42:42,940
proper testing to either replicate the

3595
02:42:48,090 --> 02:42:45,670
size that we did before or to debunk it

3596
02:42:50,940 --> 02:42:48,100
that's the goal I want to thank you

3597
02:42:52,770 --> 02:42:50,950
again for coming on tonight always a

3598
02:42:55,110 --> 02:42:52,780
great conversation with you you're going

3599
02:42:55,560 --> 02:42:55,120
to be at contact in the desert a long

3600
02:42:58,860 --> 02:42:55,570
way

3601
02:43:00,180 --> 02:42:58,870
myself June 1st through the 4th what are

3602
02:43:01,261 --> 02:43:00,190
you going to be speaking about this year

3603
02:43:04,410 --> 02:43:01,271
what are we gonna see

3604
02:43:07,200 --> 02:43:04,420
oh you're actually wait a minute you're

3605
02:43:10,470 --> 02:43:07,210
gonna you're gonna view a film too right

3606
02:43:12,720 --> 02:43:10,480
III believe we're showing patients 17 so

3607
02:43:16,230 --> 02:43:12,730
everybody can see it there and I believe

3608
02:43:18,660 --> 02:43:16,240
that they chose for me to talk on my

3609
02:43:20,430 --> 02:43:18,670
lazar film at that time and kind of some

3610
02:43:22,770 --> 02:43:20,440
of the details and to show footage that

3611
02:43:24,660 --> 02:43:22,780
nobody's seen that will be incorporated

3612
02:43:27,450 --> 02:43:24,670
into that film so you're gonna do that

3613
02:43:31,020 --> 02:43:27,460
we're gonna actually be able to see some

3614
02:43:32,940 --> 02:43:31,030
of your your upcoming footage on lazar

3615
02:43:33,570 --> 02:43:32,950
oh yeah you'll see stuff that no one's

3616
02:43:35,460 --> 02:43:33,580
ever seen before

3617
02:43:37,830 --> 02:43:35,470
man I can't wait for that man you know

3618
02:43:39,421 --> 02:43:37,840
and you know the only way I'm gonna be

3619
02:43:43,040 --> 02:43:39,431
able to see it I'm gonna introduce you

3620
02:43:47,730 --> 02:43:45,900
man I really look forward to it and I

3621
02:43:49,250 --> 02:43:47,740
appreciate you know everybody talking

3622
02:43:51,990 --> 02:43:49,260
about this I know we left a lot of stuff

3623
02:43:55,591 --> 02:43:52,000
uncovered and this is just life you know

3624
02:43:57,210 --> 02:43:55,601
that the story is developing about your

3625
02:43:59,580 --> 02:43:57,220
humanity's relationship to these

3626
02:44:01,020 --> 02:43:59,590
unknowns and I hope that we get closer

3627
02:44:03,390 --> 02:44:01,030
to the truth that as the years go

3628
02:44:05,131 --> 02:44:03,400
forward and it surely seems like that

3629
02:44:07,200 --> 02:44:05,141
we're going in that direction nobody

3630
02:44:09,180 --> 02:44:07,210
does it better than you Jeremy thank you

3631
02:44:11,430 --> 02:44:09,190
so much man and don't stop rolling that

3632
02:44:12,900 --> 02:44:11,440
rock uphill my friend I appreciate it

3633
02:44:15,570 --> 02:44:12,910
talk to you soon have a great night

3634
02:44:18,150 --> 02:44:15,580
Jeremy Korbel everybody now it's

3635
02:44:21,180 --> 02:44:18,160
extraordinary beliefs calm his links are

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clink and click click click and he has

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3640
02:44:35,040 --> 02:44:33,700
stuff also that is personal and it's all

3641
02:44:36,750 --> 02:44:35,050
right there on the website I'm gonna

3642
02:44:39,780 --> 02:44:36,760
take a quick break I'll come back and

3643
02:44:42,480 --> 02:44:39,790
grab some phone calls this is fade to

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02:48:49,070 --> 02:48:47,461
hi this is Rob Reiner from anvil and

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02:48:52,331 --> 02:48:49,080
you're listening to Jimmy Church

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02:48:57,660 --> 02:48:54,440
whatever that combats and we're

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listening the Shamy Church radio

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[Music]

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02:49:16,670 --> 02:49:14,929
welcome back fade to black

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I mean hosting the church took a quick

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02:49:22,279 --> 02:49:20,250
break want to thank Jeremy Korbel with a

3721
02:49:23,210 --> 02:49:22,289
great conversation tonight quite a few

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02:49:26,300 --> 02:49:23,220
takeaways

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by the way opening up the phone lines

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three two three eight to five five zero

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four five four three two three two seven

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five nine six now five got a little bit

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02:49:37,670 --> 02:49:34,229
of time for a couple of phone calls

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before we wrap this show tonight so

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three two three eight two five five zero

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four five four three two three two seven

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five nine six nine five follow me on

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02:49:49,849 --> 02:49:46,020
Twitter at JDO very simple I do want to

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02:49:51,920 --> 02:49:49,859
remind everybody of the new manna

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special that they have extended and that

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02:49:56,990 --> 02:49:55,260
is Jimmy 10 Jimmy in the number 10 and I

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02:49:59,120 --> 02:49:57,000
do want to thank a new manna for doing

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that just click on the new manna banners

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over at Jimmy Church radio calm very

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02:50:05,870 --> 02:50:03,960
cool the response from all of you fader

3740
02:50:09,170 --> 02:50:05,880
knots with that is has been

3741
02:50:11,300 --> 02:50:09,180
extraordinary okay now couple of

3742
02:50:16,099 --> 02:50:11,310
takeaways really quick and I would like

3743
02:50:21,319 --> 02:50:16,109
to hear from you about this one was

3744
02:50:25,819 --> 02:50:21,329
Richard Doty being present at the raid

3745
02:50:28,250 --> 02:50:25,829
on Bob lazarre's house in New Mexico now

3746
02:50:29,170 --> 02:50:28,260
he was I believe he was a cop he was a

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02:50:37,609 --> 02:50:29,180
patrol

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02:50:39,649 --> 02:50:37,619
yes you know I understand he was just

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02:50:42,590 --> 02:50:39,659
you know who's just on duty when the

3750
02:50:46,910 --> 02:50:42,600
raid went down it was the raid for Bob

3751
02:50:49,809 --> 02:50:46,920
Lazar this was not a meth lab you know

3752
02:50:54,109 --> 02:50:49,819
this was a raid on Bob lazarre's house

3753
02:50:55,460 --> 02:50:54,119
very curious about that that is that is

3754
02:51:00,080 --> 02:50:55,470
beyond coincidence

3755
02:51:02,830 --> 02:51:00,090
to me and I have heard about this talk

3756
02:51:05,389 --> 02:51:02,840
you know talked about over the years but

3757
02:51:06,580 --> 02:51:05,399
you know it just kind of hit home with

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02:51:10,700 --> 02:51:06,590
me again

3759
02:51:16,880 --> 02:51:10,710
speaking about Lazar also in in this

3760
02:51:20,210 --> 02:51:16,890
Lazar film to be clear Bob when he left

3761
02:51:22,189 --> 02:51:20,220
and and moved his family to Michigan and

3762
02:51:23,360 --> 02:51:22,199
you know virtually disappeared and left

3763
02:51:26,540 --> 02:51:23,370
the you

3764
02:51:29,030 --> 02:51:26,550
folk community what went down in in

3765
02:51:33,110 --> 02:51:29,040
those years you know that dark period I

3766
02:51:35,511 --> 02:51:33,120
had III do want to know but what was

3767
02:51:40,880 --> 02:51:35,521
going on during this time I had written

3768
02:51:43,280 --> 02:51:40,890
Bob oh this was probably four years ago

3769
02:51:45,110 --> 02:51:43,290
I wrote Bobby he wrote me back and we

3770
02:51:47,560 --> 02:51:45,120
had a little bit of a correspondence

3771
02:51:51,950 --> 02:51:47,570
going back and forth and and he said

3772
02:51:55,250 --> 02:51:51,960
Jimmy yeah I guess I come on the show

3773
02:51:57,801 --> 02:51:55,260
but what is it that I would even talk

3774
02:52:00,290 --> 02:51:57,811
about what abacus it you know you know

3775
02:52:02,330 --> 02:52:00,300
the dark years you know we know about

3776
02:52:03,920 --> 02:52:02,340
you know everything prior but up until

3777
02:52:06,920 --> 02:52:03,930
now what have you been up to

3778
02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:06,930
why did you leave I think the you know

3779
02:52:13,190 --> 02:52:11,130
that the UFO community would really want

3780
02:52:16,280 --> 02:52:13,200
to know you know what have you been up

3781
02:52:18,261 --> 02:52:16,290
to and and and about your life in

3782
02:52:22,190 --> 02:52:18,271
general and I think we should talk about

3783
02:52:24,080 --> 02:52:22,200
that and and his response was I hope he

3784
02:52:25,040 --> 02:52:24,090
doesn't mind me saying you know do you

3785
02:52:30,230 --> 02:52:25,050
mean I just don't think it's that

3786
02:52:32,690 --> 02:52:30,240
interesting and I was blown away by that

3787
02:52:34,310 --> 02:52:32,700
because I think that's exactly the most

3788
02:52:36,890 --> 02:52:34,320
interesting part of this that the

3789
02:52:39,680 --> 02:52:36,900
community would love to know and hear

3790
02:52:41,860 --> 02:52:39,690
from me but he just didn't think that

3791
02:52:44,360 --> 02:52:41,870
there was anything there for us and and

3792
02:52:47,450 --> 02:52:44,370
remember going you know why is that

3793
02:52:51,500 --> 02:52:47,460
interesting to you I found that

3794
02:52:54,770 --> 02:52:51,510
surprising but hopefully we'll get some

3795
02:52:57,140 --> 02:52:54,780
of these answers in in this new film and

3796
02:52:58,910 --> 02:52:57,150
I'm really looking forward to that let's

3797
02:53:01,430 --> 02:52:58,920
go to the phones hi you're live on fade

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02:53:03,650 --> 02:53:01,440
to black who's calling hey Jimmy is

3799
02:53:07,070 --> 02:53:03,660
Jason from Louisiana hey Jason from

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02:53:09,591 --> 02:53:07,080
Louisiana how are you great show tonight

3801
02:53:11,660 --> 02:53:09,601
I do have one question that may you may

3802
02:53:14,600 --> 02:53:11,670
want to bring up this you know Bob Lazar

3803
02:53:18,400 --> 02:53:14,610
talked about the class and how it bent

3804
02:53:22,540 --> 02:53:18,410
space and time with the amplifiers on a

3805
02:53:26,720 --> 02:53:22,550
light I should I guess a candle and

3806
02:53:28,820 --> 02:53:26,730
power right right yeah I'm just curious

3807
02:53:31,070 --> 02:53:28,830
if these craft of creating an intense

3808
02:53:34,190 --> 02:53:31,080
gravitational feel like he explains and

3809
02:53:36,290 --> 02:53:34,200
they're traveling to far distances you

3810
02:53:37,260 --> 02:53:36,300
know gravitational fields and intense

3811
02:53:40,710 --> 02:53:37,270
ones

3812
02:53:43,290 --> 02:53:40,720
dialing time so are they time-traveling

3813
02:53:45,330 --> 02:53:43,300
is my big question and is that why we're

3814
02:53:48,420 --> 02:53:45,340
not really seeing them is because

3815
02:53:52,050 --> 02:53:48,430
they're creating this distortion in

3816
02:53:53,939 --> 02:53:52,060
space and time that maybe they can't get

3817
02:53:56,130 --> 02:53:53,949
back to this reality I'm not sure but

3818
02:53:57,750 --> 02:53:56,140
it's a question that uh you know comes

3819
02:53:59,160 --> 02:53:57,760
up in my mind I noticed at the end of

3820
02:54:02,250 --> 02:53:59,170
the show but that's what I want to

3821
02:54:08,939 --> 02:54:02,260
delete y'all well Jason there's an on

3822
02:54:14,010 --> 02:54:08,949
that same thought the conversations

3823
02:54:17,939 --> 02:54:14,020
about gravity back when bob was bringing

3824
02:54:19,559 --> 02:54:17,949
them out you know 1990-91 and you go

3825
02:54:23,179 --> 02:54:19,569
back and watch all of that early stuff

3826
02:54:30,050 --> 02:54:23,189
these were things that weren't discussed

3827
02:54:32,939 --> 02:54:30,060
out of the public and science knows very

3828
02:54:35,460 --> 02:54:32,949
knows little more about gravity today

3829
02:54:37,460 --> 02:54:35,470
then the back when bob was talking about

3830
02:54:40,920 --> 02:54:37,470
it right they really don't understand

3831
02:54:43,800 --> 02:54:40,930
and he explained it right right right

3832
02:54:47,279 --> 02:54:43,810
back when nobody was talking about it

3833
02:54:49,469 --> 02:54:47,289
and and i always found that part of bob

3834
02:54:51,599 --> 02:54:49,479
to be one of the most fascinating and

3835
02:54:53,819 --> 02:54:51,609
the one thing that he brought up back

3836
02:54:55,620 --> 02:54:53,829
then and it's sort of as we're

3837
02:54:56,899 --> 02:54:55,630
understanding gravity more and more

3838
02:54:59,819 --> 02:54:56,909
today

3839
02:55:03,059 --> 02:54:59,829
what little we understand I should say

3840
02:55:07,859 --> 02:55:03,069
of it a is being it's being discussed

3841
02:55:13,500 --> 02:55:07,869
and he had said then if you remember he

3842
02:55:15,599 --> 02:55:13,510
had said that it would open up a space

3843
02:55:18,689 --> 02:55:15,609
in front of the ship for it to travel

3844
02:55:21,120 --> 02:55:18,699
into right so it was always opening up

3845
02:55:24,269 --> 02:55:21,130
gravity in front in front in front and

3846
02:55:29,279 --> 02:55:24,279
it would like tumble right and that that

3847
02:55:34,290 --> 02:55:29,289
was I guess a wave as you're certain

3848
02:55:36,269 --> 02:55:34,300
right right and when he described it

3849
02:55:39,349 --> 02:55:36,279
like that I had never heard anybody

3850
02:55:43,410 --> 02:55:39,359
present anything like this before and

3851
02:55:45,359 --> 02:55:43,420
now today gravity waves they've gone

3852
02:55:49,179 --> 02:55:45,369
back and looked a little bit more at the

3853
02:55:51,580 --> 02:55:49,189
way Einstein spoke about this

3854
02:55:55,779 --> 02:55:51,590
but it was never presented that way like

3855
02:55:58,920 --> 02:55:55,789
Bob did and and today no not then and

3856
02:56:03,279 --> 02:55:58,930
today it seems to be a pretty solid

3857
02:56:05,739 --> 02:56:03,289
theory and idea for astrophysicists and

3858
02:56:08,500 --> 02:56:05,749
physicists too to talk about I'm not a

3859
02:56:10,300 --> 02:56:08,510
physicist man I'm not a PhD I've not I

3860
02:56:12,639 --> 02:56:10,310
try to learn as much as I can

3861
02:56:16,120 --> 02:56:12,649
should I tell you what it is very very

3862
02:56:17,500 --> 02:56:16,130
interesting yeah it's and I don't know

3863
02:56:19,239 --> 02:56:17,510
if it's interdimensional you know it

3864
02:56:21,489 --> 02:56:19,249
could be that these crafts are creating

3865
02:56:23,439 --> 02:56:21,499
this field and going into another

3866
02:56:24,760 --> 02:56:23,449
dimension it crossed my mind several

3867
02:56:31,870 --> 02:56:24,770
times with all the research I've done

3868
02:56:34,019 --> 02:56:31,880
I'm just you know interesting I'll see

3869
02:56:36,550 --> 02:56:34,029
if I can get it to Bob all right

3870
02:56:38,949 --> 02:56:36,560
appreciate it Jimmy thanks bloody great

3871
02:56:41,290 --> 02:56:38,959
show keep it up yeah thank you Jason and

3872
02:56:44,710 --> 02:56:41,300
and a great phone call really appreciate

3873
02:56:47,710 --> 02:56:44,720
it yeah and and it's it's one of the

3874
02:56:51,340 --> 02:56:47,720
things as I wrap and Jason thank you for

3875
02:56:53,859 --> 02:56:51,350
that phone call and if you're on hold I

3876
02:56:56,559 --> 02:56:53,869
don't have any more time so and you're

3877
02:56:58,300 --> 02:56:56,569
listening to me right now so I'm sorry

3878
02:57:03,939 --> 02:56:58,310
about that I've got a wrap here in 45

3879
02:57:07,090 --> 02:57:03,949
seconds the the one thing about Bob for

3880
02:57:09,460 --> 02:57:07,100
me today is these very fundamental

3881
02:57:12,040 --> 02:57:09,470
things that he was talking about when it

3882
02:57:14,109 --> 02:57:12,050
comes to science and physics that I

3883
02:57:16,840 --> 02:57:14,119
don't understand but I can certainly

3884
02:57:19,809 --> 02:57:16,850
appreciate in here and listen to the

3885
02:57:23,620 --> 02:57:19,819
references today that are talking about

3886
02:57:25,899 --> 02:57:23,630
what bob was referring to so many years

3887
02:57:28,000 --> 02:57:25,909
ago and what does that tell you about

3888
02:57:30,790 --> 02:57:28,010
bob lazar it's one of the most

3889
02:57:35,290 --> 02:57:30,800
fascinating parts about bob lazar and

3890
02:57:38,849 --> 02:57:35,300
his story and and again as he's one of

3891
02:57:41,649 --> 02:57:38,859
those people in ufology that was

3892
02:57:44,920 --> 02:57:41,659
absolutely taken to task and taken apart

3893
02:57:47,590 --> 02:57:44,930
and was every attempt was made to

3894
02:57:50,250 --> 02:57:47,600
discredit Bob in his story in his

3895
02:57:54,010 --> 02:57:50,260
personal life in his in his

3896
02:57:56,949 --> 02:57:54,020
documentation his taxes is education

3897
02:57:59,670 --> 02:57:56,959
whatever it was and you know what he not

3898
02:58:01,880 --> 02:57:59,680
only did he survive it but now today

3899
02:58:03,620 --> 02:58:01,890
look how

3900
02:58:05,750 --> 02:58:03,630
he stands in the UFO community and

3901
02:58:08,620 --> 02:58:05,760
that's Bob Lazar I cannot wait for

3902
02:58:12,860 --> 02:58:08,630
Jeremy's film I really can't and I guess

3903
02:58:15,740 --> 02:58:12,870
I told contact in the desert but he

3904
02:58:18,290 --> 02:58:15,750
promised us right Summer 2018 no

3905
02:58:19,790 --> 02:58:18,300
lazarre's after that skinwalker is

3906
02:58:22,460 --> 02:58:19,800
Summer 2018

3907
02:58:24,530 --> 02:58:22,470
I want to thank Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer

3908
02:58:26,929 --> 02:58:24,540
Korbel great conversation tonight

3909
02:58:29,330 --> 02:58:26,939
fade to black I am your host Jimmy

3910
02:58:32,809 --> 02:58:29,340
church tomorrow night actor right here

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02:58:35,000 --> 02:58:32,819
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02:58:37,099 --> 02:58:35,010
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3930
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